Unbelievable that he says that the Republican party has a "racist element" element now. How far down the road are we going in feeling that enforcing our laws is racist? I really fear for this country's future when citizens start spreading those kinds of sentiments.

The Republican party of today is no longer the party of Lincoln, and honestly, the Democrats aren't that much better.

If you want to read more here:

http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=36

I agree but calling the Republicans racists is out of line and not true.

Marisa,

I'm sure that you could find a hundred more like him who, when affected by the law through family ties would side with law breakers and change parties. The question is, do we want to bend to the will of every ethnocentric group just because their people are affected disproportionatley? For example, there are proportionately far more black people in prison than whites, when one considers the total population. If the NAACP demanded that we release black people to make the numbers more in line with their numbers in the total population, who here would believe that it would be right to do so. The man is acting on his ethnocentric bias, not good sense. The man is free to change parties, but who can admire a man that opposes removing criminal aliens from our country? Hispanic illegal alien advocates may choose to do so, but they do so at the risk of losing support from their fellow Americans.

Most of America's racists switched party affiliation when LBJ, a southern Democrat, launched the war on poverty.

Later, during the Reagan era, they pretty much finalized their move to the republican party.

Gee, if those Republican leaders from LBJ's time were still in power today their average age would be somewhere between 70 and 80, probably closer to the latter. DM is just talking nonsense.

Mr. wisdom...if those Republican leaders from LBJ's time were still in power today their average age would be somewhere between 70 and 80, probably closer to the latter.

Moreover, I was just echoing what the guy on the video said. You see, he is right. Although you wouldn't know because of your lack of experience, infantile propensities and sophomoric IQ.

p.s. horace. you'd better move your "home" before you get a ticket.

Republicans now are selling us "Islamo-Fascist" terrorism to go to IRAN. SIX YEARS into Mr. Bush's "War on Terrorism" terrorism as a tactic is still growing? To most people of reasonable intelligence that would mean that the 'strategery' of Mr. Bush WAS NOT WORKING, and should be modified. FDR had WWII all wrapped up TWO YEARS faster than the time Mr. Bush has squandered ALREADY/. Sorry, Republicans, you done, in few words Republicas means oil and war.
With 300 trillions dollars (used in arms) we could developed a alternative energy power and be less independent of oil.

ehh, just my 2 cents but it was Russia and England that fought off the geramns for many years. the u.s entered later and kinda kicked them on their way down.

I agree that this administration and our president are loony especially on this so-called war on terrorism but the topic was about racism in the Republican party. There is no evidence of that. Are you kidding me? In the PC world we live in today it would be political suicide. It is just that the advocates for illegal aliens consider enforcement of our immigration laws to be racist. Yeah, right!

There is racism in both major political parties, but the Republicans seem to have the more high profile ones such as: David Duke (he actually ran as both a Dem and Rep in Louisianna, but he is currently a Republican), Trent Lott (who has voted against extending voting rights), Jesse Helms, George Allen (remember the Macaca incident?). Don't you remember the Willie Horton ads that George Bush I used against Michael Dukakis? Republicans, as of recently (the past 35 years or so) have not been friendly towards blacks, Latinos, Native Americans, and even certain groups of Asians. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see these things.

Open mouth, insert foot:

"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks," the former Vermont governor said in an interview published Saturday in the Des Moines Register. "We can't beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats." - Howard Dean 2003

I wonder how much of this is actually the electorate leading the politicos.

Democrats are usually associated as the party of the minorities and working poor, even though the average delegate earns well over 200K.

On the other hand, the Republicans have the bigots, the wealthy and the poser wealthy.

Adriana, well there may be some closet racists in both parties but to say that the Republican party now has a "racist element" to it is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Keeping in mind that the guy in the video is a Hispanic and many if not most Hispanics are illegal sympathizers, his remark was directed at those Republicans who are for the rule of law, no amnesty for illegals and securing our border with a fence. I don't consider that racist but he does.

An element is part of a larger community, so yes, there is a racist element in both major political parties. It isn't a stretch. Have you ever heard Richard Nixon's tapes, where he freely uses the "n" word?

Democratic Senator Robert Byrd used to be in the KKK. And he's a major, yet older element of the Democratic party. And as Daniel pointed out, Howard Dean admitted to wanting to appeal to the Confederate sympathizers.

Another thing... Frank, why do you doubt this man? He said that he used to volunteer and work on Republican campaigns. He's darker skinned, obviously not a "white American." He should know what racism is when it is directed at him and those who look like him. Are you involved in the Republican party of Irving, Texas? Maybe you know something about these Republicans or this man that we all don't know. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Powerful commentary. The Republicans decided to appeal to white voters, who have seem their incomes drop and their society change, by scapegoating Mexican immigrants - both legal and illegal. They reaped a short term political benefit (I guess), but ultimately will pay a heavy price. It is not just the Latino community that is turned off by the nasty Republican rhetoric, it is also independent white voters who don't like what they are hearing from their Republican politicos.

Let the Republican hate-mongers preen and posture. The browning of American society is inevitable at this point. It is, quite simply, a demographic reality. Sorry, Frank.

Adriana, no I am not involved in the Republican party near Irving as I live in Calif.

As I said, the man in the video is claiming a racist element in the Repub party strickly because of the immigration issue and that is where I disagree.

longhorn, so the Repubs are hate mongers just because they are for the rule of law? You sound just like the man in the video. I have no problem with legal immigration no matter what their skin color is but the browning of America you are referring isn't thru legal immigration but illegal immigration. It isn't natural or moral and that is what I object too. If we deport the illegals, secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws internally there doesn't have to be an unnatural demographic shift in this country.

I don't care what skin color we are all down the road. But I do object to our culture and language being diluted or displaced this way. The Mexican people in Mexico would feel likewise if it were happening to them and rightly so.

Today's immigration problem has very deep roots that date back to the Elizabethan era.

The English - Spanish, Protestant - Catholic, Barbarian - Latin animosity was etched into history at this time.

Indigenous people do not have a dog in this fight.

But we have been drawn into this age old battle between the two groups of Europeans by fate and conquest.

For this reason I (and some freinds of mine) do not believe we will ever be properly represented by those who call themselves "Latinos" and "Hispanics."

Most of the so called "illegals" are not Latino or Hispanic. Now I concede the fact that Hispano and Latino have evolved into general references as to the Spanish language being a Latin dialect.

But the generalization ends there and it does not make me a European.

My language is Nahua.

The overwhelming vast majority of the so called "illegals" are indigenous people who have been displaced, at one time or another, by European instigated conflicts and more recently, by NAFTA.

We have been migrating on this continent for 20 thousand years.

We are not immigrants. We are human beings worthy of dignity and respect.

The "immigration problem" is fabricated by Europeans in an attempt to preserve their privilege on a land that they stole from us.

We have accepted our fate. Now the European must accept theirs.

The vast majority of illegal aliens in this country are Mestizo Mexicans. They are a combination of native indian and Spaniard. We have had this discussion before in here. It is an undeniable fact. So when you say "European" in a deragotory manner, you are also speaking about the Mesitzos who are the descendants of the Spaniards.

The U.S. was born in 1776. From that point forward we were a self governing soveirgn nation. Our Constitution was written along with the laws of this country. At some point those laws included immigration laws.

No land was stolen. Wars were fought, treaties signed and money paid to Mexico for certain lands in the southwest. You weren't even born yet and neither was I.

We will decide our own fate, not you and your reconquistas.

It is not an "undeniable" fact. There are people who call themselves Mestizos because it was a shameful thing to be an Indian and they have had this drilled into them for over 300 years. It's called cultural genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Mexico's population today is less than 10% European.

Not enough Spaniards landed to equal the 50/50 mix that you believe in.

Spaniards would have had to replenish themselves over and over again in order to maintain their gene pool. Which did not occur. They were there, of course, but there weren't enough of them to overcome the indigenous gene pool.

Mexico's indigenous population boasts a whopping 40%. and these are the ones who identified themselves as indigenous in the recent census.

Adding the Spanish gene simply does not add up to 50/50.

Most Spaniards were too racist to marry an Indian woman. Spanish women were not even given the choice if they wanted to marry an indigenous man or not. In addition, the casta system assured economic parity between the bride and groom, which left most of the indigenous out of that loop.

Most so called Mestizos are a product of rape. But again, not enough offspring was produced to whither away the indigenous gene. In fact, the opposite occurred as indigena continued to marry indigena.

The term "Mestizo" itself, as it applies to Mexicans, was the imagination of a racist named Vasconcelos.

The basis for all his logic was eugenics, much like that of John Tanton.

Calling Indians "Mestizos" didn't even occur until 1930 or so when his (Vasconcelos') book was used to further the cultural genocide of the Indigenas.

Some people in Mexico actually believe that if you change your shirt and put on a pair of shoes you are no longer an Indian. Which explains how people would fall for the Mestizo concept.

People are lied to and people believe lies. You, for example.

Your comment: "The vast majority of illegal aliens in this country are Mestizo Mexicans." Is ignorant but not surprising.

I think it's rather laughable but it is also illogical because the so called Mestizo does relatively well in Mexico. Why would he leave his home?

Statements like this are made to degrade and belittle the indigenous. Stripping him of his right to dignity because he is not whole. You do not have to respect a mixed breed, is that it?

It is the Indigena who has suffered most of NAFTA'S disastrous Affects and, therefore, it is they who must leave their homes in order to survive.

Finally, "reconquista" refers to the Spanish reconquest of Moorish Spain.

BTW, the U.S. Census Bureau has some very bad news for you.

According to them. In 100 years you will all be back on the east cost. In 200 years you will all be back in Europe. In 300 years your gene pool will have whithered to nil.

Have a nice evening Frank.

Are we going to go down this same road again? 60% of Mexicans are Mestizos. Sure thing, the Spaniards always raped, it was never consentual sex was it? Were you there?

How am I dishonering full blooled native indians if I admit that they still do exist? I respect everyone who is decent and law abiding and I don't care what their genetics are.

Fantize all you want about the disapearance of the white man on the western hemisphere, ain't gonna happen. Besides you will always be stuck with us because you can't erase that White Spaniard blood out of your veins.

Back to Europe? I have never set foot in Europe and neither have most Americans accept for perhaps a vacation.

I find it hypocritical that those who admonish past Europeans for annihilating the indian population are seeking genocide on others today.

TSK TSK TSK

Must you be so hostile?

10% European and 40% Indigena leaves FIFTY % "Mestizo."

Please learn to add.

The real issue is just how much European blood (if any) do the so called Mestizos have in them. After all, that gene began to whither almost as fast as it was planted.

As for your "consentual" comment is concerned, if the woman cannot say no then it is RAPE.

Of course, there was marriage but the offspring must also have to marry the European gene in order for it to survive and after 500 years and so (reletively) little Spanish settlers, the gene whithers.

So much for the Mestizo concept.

Regarding my FANTIZE, those projections are from your settler nation: The U.S. Government Census.

I was quoting Wikepedia you dolt. It states that 60% of the Mexican population is Mestizo. Doesn't matter how many drops, they are still part Spaniard. Why do they continue to use Spanish as their primary language? Is someone forcing them to?

The gene withers? LOL! Now thats funny!

Doesn't matter what the U.S. Census claims because the illegal invasion would have to continue to make it happen but it won't for much longer. Still your fantasy though, isn't it Mr. Genocide?

That's not funny, this is.

Enjoy!

Well it's forty below
And I don't give a fuck
Got a heater in my truck
And I'm off to the rodeo
It's an allamande left
And allamande right
C'mon you fuckin' dummy
Get your right step right
Get offstage you goddamn goof
Y'know you piss me off
You fucking jerk
Get on my nerves
Well here comes Johnny
With his pecker in his hand
He's a one-ball man
And he's off to the rodeo
It's an allamande left
And allamande right C'mon you fuckin' dummy
Get your right step right
Get offstage you goddamn goof
Y'know you piss me off
You fucking jerk
Get on my nerves
(INSTRUMENTAL)
Well it's forty below
And I ain't got a truck
And I don't give a fuck
'Cause I'm off to the rodeo
It's an allamande left
And allamande right
C'mon you fuckin' dummy
Get your right step right
Get offstage you goddamn goof
Y'know you piss me off
You fucking jerk
Get on my nerves
Well here comes Johnny
With his pecker in his hand
He's a one-ball man
And he's off to the rodeo
It's an allamande left
And allamande right
C'mon you fuckin' dummy
Get your right step right
Get offstage you goddamn goof
Y'know you piss me off
You fucking jerk
Get on my nerves

hahahah

Crank it up people. This is how to pizz off a redneck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSM4pL7gPyk

pizz me off

hahaha

We used to play this song "piss me off" for the white... umm, men ( i didnt say boys) in the bars in El Monte CA, waaay back in the day, when there was still white bars. Now theyre all MEXICAN. We knew it and we know it now, we're taking over.

Daniel, I am not a rednecked racist or any other kind of racist. I merely stand up for the rule of law and the sovereingty of our nation. Why do you find fault with that?

I notice that you mention just White men in your rants. Are you showing your racism? It appears so. Pot calling the kettle black?

Since you advocate the taking over of this nation by Mexicans without any conscience or compassion for the American people, would you also advocate Mexico being taken over by some foreign group also? Or are you a hypocrite?

buey: "I am not a rednecked racist or any other kind of racist. I merely stand up for the rule of law and the sovereingty of our nation. Why do you find fault with that?"

Children are starving, screw your law.

buey: "I notice that you mention just White men in your rants."

buey: "Since you advocate the taking over of this nation by Mexicans without any conscience or compassion for the American people"

Now this is really asinine. You show no compassion for our people, not even our children.

And I do not advocate talking over YOUR (lol) nation. You can keep your nation, just get off our land.

buey: "would you also advocate Mexico being taken over by some foreign group also?"

Are you really this ignorant, frank? For all the shit you talk one would think you would be better educated and informed.

Mexico has been colonized for over 500 years. Damn frank, nothing gets by you does it?

You're just white and smart by default. Everything you think of the world must orbit around, because youre "white." Those days are over buddy. Theyre long gone.

You dont seem to have anything more than a h.s. education (if that).

You dont know the difference between "accept and except."

You cannot think past your "illegal" and "the law." You're very simple minded.

Mexico was forced into NAFTA for the benefit of YOUR country.

Click HERE frank

You guys really amaze me, no need for an education. Being white is all you need.

You're a concrete hillbilly, that's what you are.

David, I can't speak for everyone but myself and the majority of Americans are not using the rule of law to hide some kind of racist agenda. Where is your proof of that accusation?

Millions of children are starving all over the world, should we take them all into our country? Their parents should be fighting their governments so their children are not starving or don't have kids you can't feed. Now there is a novel concept, hey?

Your remark about whites being oppressors is blatantly racist. The same thing that you are accusing the majority of Americans as being. A hypocrite calling the kettle black?

I have plenty of compassion for those who follow the laws. I don't advocate the takeover of Mexico like you are advocating the takeover of U.S. land by not respecting our soveirgnty or it's people. You are the uncompassionate one to try to take something that doesn't belong to you and that Americans have worked hard to make a success.

None of this has to do with my race or skin color. It has to do with my respect for the laws of this country. Is that all you ever have is the race card?

I was opposed to NAFTA so don't hold me responsible for it. Many Americans feel as I do and about CAFTA too. We have little control over what decisions our government makes. I wish they would let us vote on EVERYTHING! You'd see plenty of positive changes. Best we can do is vote these traitors out of office.

Again you resort to juvenile tactics of name calling instead of just debating the issues. So typical of the pro-illegal alien crown and that is why you are going to lose this war. Your little temper tantrums will be your downfall.

I was born in the east and grew up in So. Calif., as far as I know hillbillies live in the south, so I'm not one. I don't hold my whiteness is high esteem. The white race is no better or no worse than any other race. I judge people by their actions not their skin color. Too bad you don't do the same.

Millions of children are starving all over the world, should we take them all into our country?

you god damned fucking bastard.

btw, this is the mindset of the white male. those of you who wish that someday you will tap a bone of decency may continue your attempts to be included into his world.

it's called the illusion of inclusion.

try hard enough and you just might become the next huero.

click HERE frank

Dear Frank,

We all know that Wiki is not a good source for data, only a starting point for further research. Anyone can add to that collection and I would not use it as a source for any issues or subjects discussed on this blog.

Most mainstreamed linear thinkers such as Frank cannot seem to comprehend what it is to have a spirit of compassion or of sharing,{unless theres a tax cut},and they sure as hell will not ever make an effort to respect or honor anyone outside of any of their own selfish, and weak little structures- And even as obvious as it is that they love tacos, they need to always "eat them out" in the back of the house. They tell their offspring that they must never engage in social affairs that arent of their code or ranking,but strangely little Edith is attracted by the cactus thrower,and she'd rather smoke some good medicine~*herb than take that dreadful Lithium/and so they will continue to loose their young at alarming rates..because after all ,it is in human nature to wonder, and to wander.However they will try hard as hell to isolate their young by injecting false hope and new histerias.
The terrorists are brewing in the glass houses of the elites..they go to terror schools right in their four car garages and they cannot contain themselves so they wipe out the local public school teachers, and the innocent classmate with browned skin. Lets acknowledge the real terrorists!-some children are being exposed to real hater type environments-and they have no alternatives as to how they are feeling in and of themselves, and so in dispair..they flip. Theres a real GIGANTIC problem amongst the supposed upholders of the Rule Of Law-for example the Bush twins came into the white house scene with the most disorderly and unlawful behaviors they were popped publicly in Austin for under-aged drinking and to top it off they had FALSE IDENTIFICATIONS of their persons!
Did we forget that stolen identity situation?!
Why because they're above the rule of law?
Fack that and Fack me on the banks of my rio GRANDE!
MANIPULATE THE MEDIAS and you can manipulate the NATIONS!

David, so now you stoop to profanity and gutter talk? How juvenile! We aren't able to take in the whole world's children. Besides they are their parents responsiblity. We send food, money and all kinds of donatations to country's that are impoverished to help their citizens and their children. Should we also give our country away to them? What about our own children, or don't they matter to you? You are being ridiculous now. Why is this a white issue to you? You are a hateful racist!

Diana, you are another white man hater. You should be ashamed of yourself. How do you live with your blatant racism every day? You know nothing about me and yet you make all kinds of negative assumptions. All I have said is that I am for enforcing our immigration laws and securing our borders and that I have nothing against legal immigrants no matter what ethnicity they are and for that I get this??

You and David's problem is lumping all who oppose illegal immigration into on barrel. The racist, white man, elite barrel. We are not all like that. In fact the majority of those opposed to illegal immigration are your everday hard working American of all ethnicites with no racist agenda. We are not the elite by any means. Its too bad that you demonize all white Americans that way. I feel sorry for you. Your unfounded hatred is going to eat you alive.

Little Frankie,

"The vast majority of illegal aliens in this country are Mestizo Mexicans. They are a combination of native indian and Spaniard. We have had this discussion before in here. It is an undeniable fact."

Franke don't you think this is a bit of a stretch. It is not an undeniable efact but a delusion you need to beleive in to justify your ignorance and racism.

You know nothing of Anahuac history nor are you open-minded enough to learn.

Kindly fuck yourself.

Little Franke walkeD out of day care and spewed:

"David, so now you stoop to profanity and gutter talk?"

As you stoop to making generalized comments without any empirical data to back them up or acting as if you are an expert on matters like the gentic make-up of the indigenous peoples of Mexico. Fuck you Frankie.

You never learned to play well with others and I do not need to waste civility with you or pretend you are worthy of anyone's civility in here.

You need to get a fucking life as you spend too much time trolling on these sites that advocate for their people. You are a pathetic loser with a big fat ass from sitting in front of a computer spewing your hate.

FUCK YOU.

I haven't made up any facts about the Mexican people and their genetic makeup. I quoted you from Wikepedia but you deny the facts. I am sure there are plenty more sources out there that would say the same thing. They aren't facts that I just pulled out of the air. How does that equate racism?

What hate have I sprewed? What is racist about my above statement? "All I have said is I am for enforcing our immigration laws and securing our borders and that I have nothing against legal immigrants no matter what their skin color or ethnicity is".

I can't beleve that Marisa allows some of you in here to stoop to profanity on her blog. I can't believe that some of you are so juvenile that you can't debate with civility. I am not a racist and nothing that I have stated in here could possibly be construed at racism. Some of you on the other hand have done nothing but spew racism, especially against white people. You all disgust me!

The goal of any blogger/opinion writer is to create a foundation that jumpstarts a dialog.

I try to do this with Latina Lista. But to me, the best conversations happen between people who don't agree.

It's from these exchanges that I learn the most, even if it at times it can be frustrating.

I have noticed recently that profanity has been used here. I know in our frustration to convince others to see things our way that this inevitably comes out.

But profanity has a way of stifling the conversation - especially if it's directed specifically at someone.

I would ask that you not use profanity to express your frustration or to use Latina Lista as a vehicle for directing profanity at someone.

I pride this site on being a dignified, and lively, forum for discussing various topics. Profanity and name calling do nothing to further the conversation.

Above all, we need solutions to today's problems and those can only be arrived at through conversation.

Let's keep the conversation going please, but without having to resort to language that disempowers everyone.

Gracias,
Marisa

Thank you Marisa. It is very juvenile to use profanity in a debate no matter how frustrated you get. I get frustrated too but I believe that civil debate is the only way to seek solutions and exchange ideas. Profanity, personal insults and false accusations do nothing to further a discussion and reach solutions. I wondered how long it was going to take you to put a stop to this nonsense. Better late than never, I guess.

Save the Trolls!

Click HERE Frank

Dear Frank,

First of, I know you think we all look alike, think alike, and all that, but I do sign my name on all my posts, so please refrain from attributing other's posts to me; even if I would like to take credit for them. Unless of course your just being silly and playing games by using my name to reply other's posts.

Now as for debating. Don't debates have time limits? How can one debate with you who has nothing more to say than he is for law and order, over and over and over, on any issue issues dealing with Immigration and illegales. I've asked you for solutions, for specific facts and you have answered with, "you wouldn't like my solution" or everyone knows what the laws are.

Another thing, don't play the innocent regarding racists and xenophobic views. You would have the U.S. deport ALL the millions that live here. I can't recall where a country removed that many people from its border simply for not having papers and not be condemned by the world. Yet you think that's fine.

How can someone debate with a stubborn old mule who won't budge, but keeps braying the same thing over and over again?

Lets have some reasonable suggestions from.

For instance what is your view on the Illegal Alien prison proposed to be built
in Virginia? The legislation was shelved yesterday.

Here is the initial story,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/25/AR2007092502190.html

and yesterday's story:

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=134840&ran=781

Horace wrote:

"Gee, if those Republican leaders from LBJ's time were still in power today their average age would be somewhere between 70 and 80, probably closer to the latter. DM is just talking nonsense."

No the Republican leaders from George Bush's time are in charge today and they are there because of the nice Southern block.

David, if I attributed someone else's comments to you I apologize. It wasn't intentional. I try to address the person I am replying to all the time but at times I may have forgotten too. The insults all sound the same to me. I will be more careful about that in the future, however.

I have never heard about any time limits on debates. If there should be one, then perhaps Marisa should lock certain topics when she thinks the debate has gone on long enough.

If my opinion remains the same, how do you expect to hear anything different on a particular topic from me? I am hearing the same old same old from you too because you haven't changed your opinion. You can't point fingers at someone else when you are doing the same thing.

Wanting all illegals to either self-deport or be deported by ICE is not a racist, xenophobic view. You only use that accusation to further your own racist agenda. Why am I being the stubborn one but you are not?

As for the article you posted about the facility to house illegal aliens, it sounds like a good idea to me. I think there are forces within this country working against our immigration laws and it doesn't surprise me that the idea was shelved for that reason. We are becoming a divided nation rather than a united one and eventually something is going to have to give.

"Wanting all illegals to either self-deport or be deported by ICE is not a racist, xenophobic view."

ICE is wrong. Once the fools in office are thrown out there will be changes.

I did check many of the Patriot & Minuteman sites and all of them are run by Anglos and they all have the same views that you do.

If the anti illegals were comprised of a more diverse group (I know the right hates that word) of 'patriots', i.e., blacks, browns and different types of whites (non gun-show, NRA types) yeah I would agree that 'most' Americans want the illegales out, but as it stands the anti illegales are of a certain political view and race and I won't be joining you on this one.

Yes you can point out a one or two vendidos who have sold out and joined the anti-illegals; but, for the most part the people fighting the invasion, the enemy, as they call it are whites.

Should drug runners, coyotes, and felons, be jailed? Absolutely; but, you equate all illegals as 'felons'. The mantra "what part of Illegal don't you understand?", and so convenient, stops the conversation, and the debate goes no where.

If Mexicans caught here do not have have papers, in your view, they should all be kicked out regardless of the length of time or roots set here.

Does you know the procedure for aliens to enter the country legally?

As long as Mexicans are allowed to be described as "illegals" and so long as this idiot Frank is allowed to address me as a "Mestizo" then I say Hasta la Vista Latina Lista!

BRAVISIMO!- Daniel-es muy triste en realidad-el plan que te retiras..eres un hombre muy listo y muy informado-Latina Lista es una lastima en el aspecto que se debe definir un buen ejemplo para los mas opprimidos-en este caso los indocumentados-hasta luego Latina Lista-nos vemos en el rio BRAVO!
Para todo@s aquellos que no esten preparados para combatir las fuerzas contra las razas-no llegen al blog de Latina Lista!
Es triste y es obvio que El mentado Frank Y el felano Horace son ESPIRITUS DE LA CONTRADICION!
EL QUE TIENE MAS SALIVA COMERA' MAS PINOLE...old old ol older than hell indin proverb.Frank and Horace wanna burn everything and everyspirit-don't let em' they aint worth it=and they are utilising Marisas' blog to undermine the causa.

Never did I say that I agree with Frank and Horace nor that what they say doesn't anger me as well, but there's a greater struggle at stake than these two.

I'm sorry Daniel and Diana have decided they can't stand the heat anymore and, in essence, are letting Horace and Frank win.

I thought they were stronger than that. We all have to be stronger than that to combat the Franks and Horaces of this country.

Marisa

Marisa, I have never once heard you condemn the Mexican government or suggest how Mexicans can work within their own borders and regain the dignity they seemed to have abandoned. This is one reason you have no credibility in your one-sided blame of the country that you appear to be a citizen of, the U.S.A. What do you propose for the remaining millions of Mexicans who will remain in their country, always waiting for handouts from those who come here illegally? Mexicans seem to show no shame for the government which is complicit with the elites who deny them social justice, but passively accept their lot in life, like sheep. Would it satisfy you if Mexican illegal aliens removed themselves to Mexico and pressured their government for change and actully succeeded? Or do you have as an agenda the displacement of the current citizens of this country, as does La Raza and the Aztlanders (like Moldinado).

I've listened to Moldinado and Diana Joe and their incindiary, and epithetical language and have wondered whether you agree with their bitter talk. If you had any pride in this blog you'd tell these people off when they act as they do. I'd understand it if you did that to me, as you are opposed to my position, but you seem to tolerate far more than any respectable blogger when it comes to foul language. You ought to have said good riddence to those two, instead of apologizing to them.

Master Horace wrote:

"..Mexicans seem to show no shame for the government which is complicit with the elites who deny them social justice, but passively accept their lot in life, like sheep.."

Enter Commander Marcos.

David, ICE is wrong by doing what they are paid to do? How so?

I have also checked out other pro-illegal forums and gee, they think just like you do and most are Hispanics. Imagine that! There are many Hispanics, Blacks that agree with our point of view just as I am sure there are Anglos and Blacks that agree with you. So what is your point?

Don't lie David! I have never called all illegals felons! Yes, I do think all illegals should self-deport or be deported no matter how long they have been here. It doesn't matter how long it takes to come here legally, one still has to follow the law and do it the right way.

Can I rob a bank because gee I don't want to wait 20 years to accumulate some wealth?

Ice tactics are wrong, otherwise they would not have changed their gestapo raids.

"There are many Hispanics, Blacks that agree with our point of view". Show me.

Don't quibble Frank. You know exactly what I mean.

Rob a bank, go to jail. Are you equating illegales to bank robbers now?

David, back to your juvenile name calling even though Marisa warned you?

I didn't address you personally as a Mestizo. Either you are a full blooded native indian or you are a Mestizo. Depends on what your genetics are. Only you know what that is.

Marisa, why do you feel that Horace and I are wrong in our views? What have either of us said that would cause anger? I respect my country's laws and am worried about our usecured borders. As an American why don't you feel the same? Horace and I aren't the enemy, we are your fellow American citizens.

David, ever heard of "You don't speak for me"? Hispanics against illegal immigration. There are Blacks and Hispanics in the MM organization and that is only the tip of the iceburg. I am not saying that the majority of those opposed to illegal immigration are not Whites because they are. But guess what, Whites are the majority in this country. Do the math.

The Whites on your side are those who profit from illegal labor. Go figure!

All reliable sources say that ICE is and has been following the letter of the law in doing their jobs. Gustapo tactics are what the pro-illegals accuse them of. Go figure!

Guess you don't understand an "analogy" when you see one as in my bank robber one. I'll clear it up for you. It means that one has to wait for what they want. There is no justification for taking it illegally. I wasn't equating illegal aliens to bank robbers in the literal sense.

Oh my, the Republican party is scared! Hispanic voting power a paper tiger?

The myth of the Latino voting bloc - LA Times, 18 October

The GOP has less to fear from a backlash than many claim.
By Steven Malanga
October 18, 2007
When President Bush's immigration reform bill collapsed this summer, largely because of objections from his own party, open-borders advocates warned that the GOP would pay a harsh political price for killing the bill. Latino support had been crucial in electing Bush, the argument went, and Latino voters represented a rising electoral tide that Republicans were ignoring at their peril.

But such commentary is based on an inaccurate picture of the Latino voting public that emerged after the 2004 election and persists today. Just days after the election, for instance, Dick Morris, a former pollster and advisor to President Clinton, declared that Latinos had elected Bush; they represented 12% of the electorate, Morris reasoned, and 45% of them had pulled the levers for the president, enough to be decisive.

The Latino vote for Bush was far from decisive, however, and it may be years before it plays a pivotal role in a national election. Latinos may represent about 14% of the U.S. population, but they constituted just 6% of the 2004 electorate -- 7.5 million voters out of 125 million. According to Census Bureau data, only 34% of the nation's adult Latino population registered to vote in 2004, and 28% voted. By contrast, 67% of the country's adult white, non-Latino population and 56% of its adult black population voted in 2004. Black voters outnumbered Latino voters nearly 2 to 1 in 2004.

Exit polls taken during 2004 also indicate Latino support for Bush may have been exaggerated. In different polls, Bush's share of the Latino vote ranged from a high of 44% to a low of 33%. Yet subsequent academic studies have estimated Bush's actual level of Latino support at the lower end, somewhere between 35% and 37%. Seen in this context, the "swing" of voters from Bob Dole, who garnered 21% of the Latino vote in 1996, to George W. Bush was hardly historic. In 1984, Ronald Reagan captured 37% of the Latino vote -- a performance at least equal to Bush's.

This suggests that the key to winning Latino votes may be running good candidates, not pandering. Latino voters themselves seem to agree. A 2004 Washington Post poll found that immigration was the least important issue among Latino voters, with only 3.5% placing it at the top of their concerns.

The decline in Latino support was not a unique phenomenon for Republicans; from 2004 to 2006, the GOP lost support among virtually all constituencies, including union members (down 10 percentage points) and even white evangelicals (down 8 percentage points). In many places, the falloff was larger among core Republican voters than among Latinos. In California, for instance, 2006 GOP Senate candidate Richard Mountjoy's share of the L