Excuse my french--but F**K. This makes me sick to my F***ING STOMACH.

It is ridiculous to claim that the whole 287g program should be suspended just because of one police department's questionable tactics!

This is incredible. Thank you for sharing this. This woman's story hasn't made news here in East Tennessee. As a Tennessean, I am embarrassed. As a human being, I am outraged. What happened to women in custody being escorted by women guards?

Because we have several loyal supporters of 'rule of law,' I suppose they will be out in full force supporting this lady.

The police dept. in her town clearly violated the law.

Will we see true loyal supporters of 'rule of law' or hypocrit ethnocentric racist who support "rule of law' only when it supports their racist agenda of excluding Hispanics in America.

Please reread the post, I said that the 287(g) program should be suspended at THAT police department.

You weren't very clear on that Marisa. You might want to re-read it yourself.

If the claims are actually true, then I agree that that the treatment of this woman was unwarranted and the PD should be investigated.

It isn't white people who are advocating amnesty for their own ethnic kind. Therefore it isn't they that are the ethnocentric racists.

Who is excluding Hispanics in this country, liar! Your nose must be so long that you can dial your phone with it!

"The police dept. in her town clearly violated the law."

Actually, they did not. What ensued, as tragic as it was, was not against the law either.

Driving without a license in Tennessee is a Class B Misdemeanor ($500 fine and/or 6 months in jail). When the officer ran her name (from a Matricular Card, she had no form of U.S. documentation other than a vehicle registration not in her name) it came back with a Federal Deportation order from 1996, thus because the officer is 287(g), he arrested her for an outstanding deportation order.

I call into question her husband. Why was he not driving her around especially if she only had 3 days before her due date? Why should the 287(g) program then be suspended in that town? She knew the consequences of what could happen to her if she were caught driving without a license, she took the risk. The question then comes down to her being a 'criminal fugitive' for disobeying a Federal Deportation order from 1996.

Apart from this horrid story, it also shows us how our State officials are ill equipped to deal with this issue.
I believe that this is wasting state money and resources trying to handle what is, ultimately a federal problem that needs to be addressed in the federal government.
We cannot add these responsibilities to our State police and government, it is a recipe for disaster, with more stories and situations like this as the consequence.

Isn't the real question why would the police subject a woman on the cusp of delivering her child to such measures when she ended up being released anyway?

If she would have come here legally , or stayed in Mexico she would'nt have had his problem.

States are having to deal with the illegal alien problem because our Federal government has failed us on this issue and it is the states that are being affected negatively by it. With proper training our state and local law enforcement can perform the job that our federal government refuses to do. It is actually easier to handle it on the local levels anyway.

challis said:
Apart from this horrid story, it also shows us how our State officials are ill equipped to deal with this issue.
I believe that this is wasting state money and resources trying to handle what is, ultimately a federal problem that needs to be addressed in the federal government.
We cannot add these responsibilities to our State police and government, it is a recipe for disaster, with more stories and situations like this as the consequence.

E
Spoken like a TRUE patriotic law abiding American citizen who is really against 'Illegal immigration' like most Americans.

Congress will have to address this issue sooner (2009) rather than later. It will have to be a compromise.

Both sides of the isle will have to work to fix the mess immigration laws are creating now.

"Isn't the real question why would the police subject a woman on the cusp of delivering her child to such measures when she ended up being released anyway?"

ICE had a detainer on her, would it then not be ICE that released her? The Police and the Sheriffs merely did their jobs. I would be looking to ICE for the reasons as to why she was not deported and instead was released. I'm willing to bet ICE released her due to humanitarian reasons as they release many others who have to care for their children (look at those released during raids), they are given new deportation orders for hearings and are expected to show up at them.

We all agree that this was a tragic set of circumstances, we all feel for this womans plight.

Fleeing an Federal Deportation order and driving without a license that's reason enough to be put in jail. She was treated like any other jailed criminal. To bad this is her fourth child born here illegally she should have been deported before the first one. Because INS didn't do their duty taxpayer paid for four children that shouldn't have been here. Racism? Mexican is not a race it's a nationally and Mexico wouldn't put up with this BS. I know many white Mexicans and I know many really dark Mexicans so which one of those it the Mexican race? It's about nationally stupid and respect of American laws..

I dont get it, how many laws does someone have to break to actually be punished.

SHE BROKE LAWS, SHE IS A LAWBREAKER.

It is illegal here in America to drive without a license. I am an American Citizen, if I get caught without a license I get arrested.

Frank, Liquidmicro, do you believe that your lame excuse, "Rule of Law", when you meet Our Lord, will prevent you from being thrown to hell? You still have time to change. Nobody knows when that will happen. Could be tomorrow, maybe tonight, while you sleep. Are you prepared?

Dear Marisa,

in my mind, the question is why a woman's simple basic dignity and human rights are violated in this abominable way.

Seriously - for those who doubt my analogy to Nazi Germany: do you think the German police in 1940 would have shackled a Jewish woman in labor to the hospital bed by her wrist and ankle? Do you think they would have let an - armed - male guard watch her as she was changing? Do you think they would have kept her feet shackled after childbirth when she went to the bathroom so she couldn't clean herself?

I am not sure German police would have done that to a Jewish woman.

What kind of a country are we living in?

And beyond the politics of a country treating a minority like the Jews in Nazi Germany - what about the individuals in that police department? What is going on in their minds? What is going on in the mind of an armed policeman who watches a woman in labor change into a hospital gown? What is going on in the mind of a policeman who keeps a woman in labor shackled to the bed?

Those police have serious mental health problems. And because they are our police, they are our problems.

This disturbs me on a number of levels. First, lets start with the reason she was driving in the first place. She had no license, therefore she should not have been behind the wheel. Also, during my pregnancies, at the end, I was advised NOT TO DRIVE by my doctor. It has been too many years to recall the reasoning, but I believe it had to do with the waistline interfering with the steering wheel lol. Either way, she was a danger to herself and others, including her child, by being behind the wheel in the first place. This leads to my second question, what did she do to draw the attention of the officers who arrested her? The article fails to state the only crime was driving without a license. Could it be she was driving in a dangerous manner? Could it be that she has been pulled over on the same offense before? The article does not state the original cause. It also is clearly omitting any claim that the sole cause of being pulled over was no license.

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Villegas DeLaPaz was arrested, incarcerated and forced to go through labor under armed guard handcuffed to by her wrist and ankle to a hospital bed.

I have a friend who is a prison guard, this is standard procedure for inmates in labor. Should she have gotten special treatment because she is Hispanic? I think not. The bottom line is that officer was responsible for his prisoner and could not let her out of his site. To avoid this, maybe she should not have been driving illegally in a country in which she was illegally residing, then she could have had a warm, family filled birth experience.

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She was not allowed to call her family so her husband could be with her for the birth.

It is usually standard procedure not to let inmates have visitors while in a hard to secure area such as a hospital. Again, she should have considered this BEFORE HER JOY RIDE.

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Her newborn was taken from her and did not receive needed breast milk for several days.

Some jails allow the babies to stay with their inmate mothers, others do not. Obviously, in the case of this mother in the process of being deported, they are not going to put a US citizen in her cell to complicate things. Like any other criminal who gives birth, the baby was more than likely put into state custody until another parent or family member could take custody of the child.

They let the baby starve? Shocked Of course not, the baby was fed formula, like millions of other babies are each year.

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She was re-jailed and denied a breast pump to express her milk. Nurses attending her were crying. She could not sleep in the jail because of the intense pain from her swollen breasts.

As for the breast milk, they wouldn't let her express it???? What kind of nonsense it that? At the risk of being crude, all she had to do was walk over to the nearest sink or toilet and milk herself. It isn't that hard, I had to do it once or twice when I returned to work after having my middle child.

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By the police department's own admission, Villegas DeLaPaz endured more days in jail than she should have because of the 4th of July holidays.

How many of us in college were always warned not to get a public intoxication charge on a weekend or holiday because the judge is off and we would have to spend extra time? Once again she is whining because she did not get special treatment.

Last, but certainly not least, she was NOT ARRESTED FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE! SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR A WARRANT OUT ON IGNORING A PREVIOUS DEPORTATION ORDER!!!!! To have let her go would have been a felony offense without the permission of a judge. If she wanted a normal child birth, she should have complied with the court order to begin with. I have zero sympathy for her, she asked for it, she got it.

It isn't white people who are advocating amnesty for their own ethnic kind. Therefore it isn't they that are the ethnocentric racists.

E
Gee, I went through each of the posts to see who made the accusation that white people or any race was advocating amnesty for their own kind. No one did.

I have never heard of anyone doing that. What I have heard are many ignorant people calling CIR amnesty. They dont know the meaning of words and have trouble understanding what they read.

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Who is excluding Hispanics in this country, liar! Your nose must be so long that you can dial your phone with it!

E
Hypocrit ethnocentric racist who support "rule of law' only when it supports their racist agenda of excluding Hispanics in America.

LOL, you're calling
me "Pinocchio" (a childish nursery rhyme caricature) because the shoe fit and you were EXPOSED?
How um, um, childish!

Minutemen Outside Obama Rally: F@$! La Raza
by kyledeb
Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:03:46 PM PDT
Original Post at The Sanctuary.

I'm here in San Diego where Barack Obama just spoke at the annual National Council of La Raza (NCLR) conference. NCLR flew out me here and provided with me accommodations at the luxurious San Diego Marriot Hotel & Marina. I was given the opportunity after I helped publicize NCLR's latest We Can Stop the Hate video using Digg and StumbleUpon, among other new media tools.

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I didn't do it to advance myself in an particular way. I just thought the video provided the most succinct description of the link between leading "anti-illegal immigration" groups and white supremacy. I wanted as many people to see it as possible.

In fact, when NCLR invited me here, I did everything I could to get them to bring one of my blogmig@s along with me, or in my stead. I identify as white and there should be a latin@ blogger here covering this conference. I hear Todd Beeton of MyDD, and Lucas O'Connor of Calitics are here liveblogging Obama's speech, as well. They probably weren't hand picked by NCLR like I was, but if you don't see a problem with three white male bloggers covering a National Council of La Raza conference, I'll leave that for a post that I'll write when all of this is done. For now, we'll get back to Obama's appearance here.

I debated whether or not to cover Obama's speech. A put up a full copy of his remarks here. Eventually I decided that with hundreds of press people here, and more "influential" bloggers than myself covering this, that it would be best to do something a little different.

I knew Barack Obama wouldn't reveal anything new about his positions on comprehensive immigration reform. As anyone who knows anything about the U.S. migration debate will tell you, the devil is in the details when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform. That's why leading members of the SanctuarySphere have been trying to get the presidential candidates to answer a very specific questionnaire on migration. I will reserve my endorsement of a presidential candidate until those questions are answered. We need more than soundbites when it comes to immigration. See what my blogmig@s have to say on the subject:

Kai at Zuky
Marisa at Latina Lista
Manny at Latino Politico
Sylvia at Problem Chylde
Maegan at Vivirlatino
Nezua at The Unapologetic Mexican
Kety at CrossLeft
Symsess at Citizen Orange
XP at ¡Para Justicia y Libertad!

So rather than attend Barack Obama's speech, I thought it would be best to cover what was happening around Barack Obama's speech. I went outside where a crowd of a few hundred was gathered. There was a sizeable group of Obama supporters, a few people holding signs for 9/11 Truth (Noam Chomsky says all that needs to be said on that), as well as a loud and bosterous group that identified themselves as the San Diego Minutemen.

Supporters of the San Diego Minutemen held signs that said things like:

"Support Americans Not La Raza",
"La Raza Means 'The Race'",
"La Raza Stop the Hate Against Americans",
"La Raza, Neo-Nazi, KKK, Racist Groups",
"Obama: 50% White, 43.75% Arabic, 6.25% Black, 100% Brown RACIST"

Just as I was about to turn away from filming a man holding a sign of a boy urinating on the phrase "La Raza", I heard him begin to chant, "Fuck You Brown Boy. Fuck You Brown Boy. Fuck You Brown Boy." The San Diego Minuteman supporter was walking up a ramp to the convention center and was speaking to another full-grown man that looked to be of latino descent to me.

In all fairness, I have no idea what the latino man was saying to the San Diego Minutemenn supporter. It could have been just as hateful. I followed them until they parted ways and just as I was about to stop filming again, a group of people walked through chanting, "Viva La Raza. Viva La Raza." The Minuteman supporter then went at it again, "Fuck La Raza. Fuck La Raza. Fuck La Raza."

It was heated out there. I tried to interview supporters of the San Diego Minutemen, but most walked away when I asked them. I was able to interview one woman, and they'll be back tomorrow when I will try to interview them again. It's not fair of me to call them out like this without getting an official comment from them.

Still, I find it ironic that the San Diego Minutemen were holding signs calling out the National Council of La Raza for their supposed racism at the same time that this man was engaging what was clearly blatant racism to me. How can you call a grown latino man a "boy" and condemn an entire race without being racist?

Why talk about this specific incident, today? Here's a phrase from Obama's speech that's relevent:

The 12 million people in the shadows, the communities taking immigration enforcement into their own hands, the neighborhoods seeing rising tensions as citizens are pitted against new immigrants...they’re counting on us to stop the hateful rhetoric filling our airwaves – rhetoric that poisons our political discourse, degrades our democracy, and has no place in this great nation. They’re counting on us to rise above the fear and demagoguery, the pettiness and partisanship, and finally enact comprehensive immigration reform.

Some will see the above incident as the fault of a fringe lunatic, who supports a fringe organization, but as anyone who blogs about migration can attest, hateful rhetoric like this has poisoned almost every online forum that takes up the subject. Any newspaper article that dares even suggest that unauthorized migrants are human quickly fills up with hate like this in the comment section. Even the mainstream progressive blogosphere is filled with hate like this. Look no further than Alternet's special immigration section for evidence of that.

This hate is degrading the U.S.'s democracy, and preventing the U.S. from arriving at a meaningful solution to the issues associated with migration. I live and breathe the U.S. migration debate. And even for someone like myself, who is very familiar with the U.S.'s history oppression, I find myself living in disbelief over the suffering of that millions of authorized and unauthorized migrants have to live through every day in the United States.

The latest outrage comes from Tim Chavez over at Political Salsa, who describes how Abu Ghraib and Guantamo have come to Nashville, Tennesee, where a pregnant mother was shackled as she tried to give birth to her baby. Her child was then denied the milk from her breast, and suffered from jaundice as a result of it. I highly recommend you read the full post to get a sense of the sorts of things I read about every day.
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Is this the sort of country you want to live in?

E said,
I wonder how many noses of people who defend the minuteKLAN yet claim they are not racists, not liars and take offence to being called ignorant, are getting longer and longer and longer.

(One must humor them, this is as far as their intelligence allows them to think in nursery rhymes. They get their education watching you tube videos and swear everything they see on you tube is gospel truth.) LOL!

http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8672981

"The federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency released Villegas on her own recognizance on July 10 after a judge sentenced her to time served for the traffic violation."

I support the rule of law AT ALL TIMES! When have I ever said otherwise? If these were 12 million Chinese or German illegals, etc. rather than Hispanics, my stance on this issue would still be the same!

Hispanics aren't "excluded" in this country. There are 40 million of them here either legally or are citizens of this country. My how convenient to forget that little fact! Hispanics have the second highest quota for legal immigration into our country by only a few percentage points lower than Asians. You will never be satisfied until they become the majority in this country also just like they are in 22 other countries on the Western Hemisphere!

Alex, being for the rule of law is lame? Maybe you should let our government know that and all other governments on the face of the earth.

I don't know what kind of bible you live by but mine doesn't say I must sacrifice my own family's welfare for a lawbreaker and a sinner. Charity begins at home.

"do you think the German police in 1940 would have shackled a Jewish woman in labor to the hospital bed by her wrist and ankle? Do you think they would have let an - armed - male guard watch her as she was changing?"

They would have actually watched her undress, took her belongings, forced her into the shower area with everybody else, and then gassed and killed her. No need for shackles.

"Do you think they would have kept her feet shackled after childbirth when she went to the bathroom so she couldn't clean herself?"

She was able to use the restroom to clean herself, shackles only slowed her trip to the john. Did she need to put her legs behind her head to clean or did she need to squat over the bowl to do it with a wet towlett? Shackles allow for movement.

She was treated no different than any other detainee. But, since you like Nazi Germany so much, maybe we should begin to do what you instill up on us, treat them as the Jews were. After all you are for equality right.

This woman clearky is a crimminal. She is in the country illegally, she drives with out a license and insurance.

IMO, ALL drivers, including legal residents, without a license should be put in jail.

I am pleasantly surprised that my comments were posted, for that I thank you. IMHO this issue is NOT about race. If you look at the statistics of illegal immigrants, only 70% are Hispanic. The remaining 30% are every color in the rainbow. Do I believe any one of these groups should be treated in any different manner, either positive or negative? I do not. I believe all should be treated equally from the enforcement of the laws, to communications in their native tongue. If you can press two for Spanish, you must then be allowed to press 3 for Chinese, 4 for German, 5 for Irish, 6 for Russian ect. Equal protection means just that, all are treated equally. There should be NO SEPARATE STANDARDS FOR ANY RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP OF ILLEGALS.

Cayla, Though I may not agree with you, I never expect everyone to agree with me either. I'm a firm believer that the only way to work through an issue is via discussion. Discussion usually means two sides are represented. While you may see on the site that, at times, frustration levels reach new heights, the talk is still going on.

Welcome to Latina Lista.

LOOK AT THIS WOMAN"S FACE AND TELL ME SHE IS NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN.
Cayla, Eric, Yeah Man...(learn english),
liquid, Jill, Magyart:

Mexicans are American Indians - It's the Border that is Illegal

Will the Real Illegal Aliens Please Stand Up
By Barry Carter

The brown people of Mexico have been on the North American continent for tens of thousands of years. They are American Indians indigenous to America and thus cannot be illegal aliens. One cannot be both indigenous and alien since these are opposites. Euro-Americans renamed them Hispanic, Latino, Mexican, Mestizo, Chicano for reasons of self-gain. By renaming them eventually people forget that they are Indigenous North American Indians. Once forgotten then the American land is free for the taking.

All one has to do is look at a pre-contact map of the North American continent to see that the US-Mexican border, is an artificial line, that bisected the territory of Indian people, such as the Ute-Aztecan. The Ute-Aztecan territory covers much of current day Mexico, Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada. Thus the border is illegal, not the Indians. The Indian peoples never approved this border. Thus American Indians as illegal aliens in America is as ridicules as someone coming into your house, taking your house at gunpoint and then getting an illegal court order barring you from entering your own house. It does not matter how many years pass it is your house. If you are the illegal alien in the house, what better defense than pointing the finger at the real owners as the illegal aliens, in order to hide your true status and theft.

The mislabeling of an entire group of Indian people is no accident. It was/is a common ploy to steal land, wealth and power of the rightful inhabitants of America. In the Southeastern U.S. many Indians pass as light skin black people because for centuries they were forced to deny their Indian heritage or face death. The same is true of Indians in the Caribbean. The Taino Indians were supposed to be extinct, but when DNA testing was done, in Puerto Rico, over 90% of the population had significant American Indian DNA. The motivation of Euro-Americans was and is the possession, ownership and control of American “Indian” land. Europeans inflicted the greatest human holocaust in history in order to attain the land and wealth. This holocaust resulted in tens of millions of Indian deaths, extinction of entire nations, languages and cultures.
It does not take a rocket scientist to simply look at Mexicans to know that they are American Indians. Demographics for Mexico show that 90% of the population is Indian. So why then does Euro-America see Mexicans as illegal aliens and not as American Indians? Because it conflicts with their self-interest and vision of manifest destiny or “greedifest destiny”. They feel that they have some god given right to American Indian land and seeing Mexicans as American Indians threatens this illusion.

What we really have is an apartheid system on the North American continent. The system of apartheid started in the Americas in 1492. Initially millions of east coast Indians were killed to make lands free for Europeans. The remaining eastern Indians were supposedly forced out of the east as indicated with Andrew Jackson proclamation that there were no more Indians east of the Mississippi. In essence everything west of the Mississippi was a large Indian Reservation. As the Euro-Americans came west, the Indians west of the Mississippi, were forced onto apartheid “homeland” reservations or to the south. Eventually a line was drawn to the south (the U.S.-Mexican border) with the majority of American Indians barred south of the line. Euro-Americans argue that the delineating factor is that Euro-English conquered the lands north of the border, for the most part, and the Euro-Spanish conquered the lands to the south. This, however, is meaningless to the American Indians who were already here and thus are indigenous.

What the illegal alien issue is really all about is threatening the Euro-American manifest destiny dream. We don’t call Lakota or Navajo or Apache illegal aliens today because their numbers were reduced so greatly that they have little power to threaten Euro-America. They are free to leave their reservations and come and go as they please. However, when they were a threat, to manifest destiny, it was illegal for them to leave the reservations and they were considered illegal aliens off the reservations. And this was true of Indians living east of the Mississippi. After Andrew Jackson’s Indian Removal Act of the 1830’s it was illegal for Indians to be east of the Mississippi and Indians were not only considered illegal aliens if they were found east of the Mississippi, they were found DEAD illegal aliens.

Today the 100,000,000 Indians living south of the illegal border pose the only Indian threat to Euro-America’s vision of manifest destiny. And believe me the racist notion of manifest destiny is unconsciously still alive and kicking the majority of Euro-Americans heads. The mere notion that the America today is still Indian land is a foreign notion in most Euro-America’s heads. This is why most Euro-Americans are ignorant to the fact that Mexico is part North America. And this buried racial bias is behind the thinking that allows the Indians, in question, to so easily be classified as illegal aliens in their own homelands.

When we really think about it Mexico is a very large Indian reservation. All Indian reservations are part of an American apartheid system created by Euro-Americans. The border between the US and Mexico is an apartheid border. It is a racist border created out of imperialism and the colonization of indigenous people. Euro-Americans have 100 million brown Indians isolated on a large reservation called Mexico in order to keep brown people separate and powerless and to maintain power in the hands of Euro-Americans. This is exactly what was done with South African apartheid with “homeland” reservations for brown people. Like South Africa, the brown people from the Mexican reservation are allowed to come in temporarily and do menial work, but must return to their reservations when the work is done. They both must have a pass to be off their reservation. It is all about control of indigenous brown people.

What’s really behind Euro-American fears and the illegal alien propaganda? Euro-Americans in the United States have the same fears as White people in South Africa before the apartheid wall fell. They fear being overrun by 100 million brown people. If the 100 million Indians are let off of the reservation Euro-Americans lose control of government, politics, business, etc. Their dreams of manifest destiny collapses and it becomes clear that American’s destiny has always been brown and the illusion of a “white” America is gone.

Many Euro-Americans will refuse to accept the facts of history. They’ll get hung up on all kinds of details. They will argue, show us the Yaqui, Cahita, Tarahumara, Jumano, Seri, Coahuiltec, Karankawa, Tonkawa, Mixtec, Tarascan Indians since these are the people whose land was bisected by the border. However, the “Euro-recognition con-game and other specious arguments do not matter since there is no way to stop the 100,000,000 Indians from crossing the illegal border and thus no way to stop the re-browning of America. There are 100 million brown Indians that cannot be imprisoned on the Mexican reservation indefinitely. They are reclaiming the North American continent one person and one day at a time—American Indians crossing the illegal apartheid border. And there is nothing Euro-Americans can do about it.

AS I SAID IN A RECENT COMMENT THREAD, the purpose of renaming Mexicans as "Hispanic" is to deny them their Indian status. The purpose of naming Mexican migrants as "Aliens" is grossly obvious. Could you possibly think of a nastier, more dehumanizing word? The purpose of framing those of Mexican descent as anything except what they are is done for very insidious and harmful purposes. As if some wall or ocean or moral boundary separates la tierra of "texas" from la tierra of "mexico" and has since the dawn of time. It truly requires some magical, self-interested and deluded thinking to come to the conclusions one must in order to feel justified about countless realities today such as NAFTA, border-walls, Incarceration of children, and "hunting me some aliens."

The recent history of Mexico, that of the last five hundred years, is the story of permanent confrontation between those attempting to direct the country toward the path of Western civilization and those, rooted in Mesoamerican ways of life, who resist. The first plan arrived with the European invaders but was not abandoned with independence.

—Guillermo Banfil Batalla
The conquest of this continent did not end with the Spanish leaving, nor with the American Declarations of whatevers. The conquest bloodly, blindly, desperately staggers on. But unless you kill every single one of us and our descendants (or wipe our memories), this conquest will never succeed. Invent laws, invent courts, invent reasons why Indians are subhuman, but it doesn't matter, your small-scale dreams and greed-stained papers flutter like sick flies in a mighty wind of inconsequence. Some of us keep our hearts in the hands of the Earth, our precious truths in the gold envelopes of the Sun, herself—places where time will not yield to the Lie. Some of us have deeper alliances than those formed by the Dollar. We are still here. We will be here to watch the balance restored. We are restoring the balance.

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Since when has guilt become shameful? Since when is shame shameful when it’s shame about a four-centuries-long historical crime? Not one of us has killed a Native American today, segregation is no longer enshrined in law, and there are fewer overt racists than before, but if we want to praise America’s virtues, we have to concede - and feel guilty about - America’s sins, else we praise a false god, a golden calf, a whited sepulcher, a Potemkin village of virtue…

Goodness, a moral crescendo is upon us. Someone fetch a towel. It’s heartening to know that there are among us some whose moral insights are so keen they entitle those so endowed to dictate how the rest of us should – must – feel.

Guilt is good, people!

Well, that rather depends on what a person is feeling guilty about, or pretending to feel guilty about.

The only people who don’t suffer guilt are sociopaths and serial killers.

ALIENATED SOCIOPATHS have never developed the ability to love, empathize, or affiliate in real life with another person. They will show more emotion toward their pet or a personal artifact than toward a person. Or, they may hate animals and live out their emotional life by watching TV (identification with soap opera characters is a common pattern). Dating and marriage relationships will be very barren and empty. They won't get along with the neighbors. They live in a shell. They have a cold, callous attitude toward human suffering or any social problem in the society they live in. They just don't care because it's outside their range of empathy. Most will believe they are justified in this because they feel they were cheated in some way themselves by society, and a few will be more than happy to rant and rave about it to anyone who listens. They are chronic complainers, and underneath it all, they would like to see nothing better than all of society destroyed.

AGGRESSIVE SOCIOPATHS derive strong, yet nonperverse gratification from harming others. They like to hurt, frighten, tyrannize, bully, and manipulate. They do it for a sense of power and control, and will often only drop subtle hints about what they are up to. They polish their aggressive, domineering manner in such a way to disguise any intimidation others might feel. They seek out positions of power, such as parent, teacher, bureaucrat, supervisor, or police officer. Their style is one of passive aggression as they systematically go about sabotaging the ideas of others to get their ideas in place. In their spare time, they like to hunt or occasionally do sadistic things like find stray dogs and cut them up. They are usually effective at getting their way, and are especially vindictive if resisted or crossed. They don't follow the social norm of reciprocity like others do.

DYSSOCIAL SOCIOPATHS identify and hold an allegiance with a dyssocial, outcast, or predatory subculture. Any subculture will do, as long as it runs counter to established authority. They are capable of intense loyalty, and even a feeling of guilt and shame, within such limited circles. They seem to continually fall upon bad luck and bad companions, however. While they will constantly complain that none of this is their fault, behind it all is a kind of self-defeating mechanism in the poor choices they made themselves.

Sadists like the policemen who abused this mother, and those who applaud them on this site, like "Frank, Liquidmirco,"etc, think that it will always be they who mistreat others, not that the poisonous standards of behavior they set will ever target them.

The violent speech and brutal behavior of these people finds its way to everyone. That is the sad part. Not only Juana Villegas DeLaPaz, and you, and I become victims of that violence. They themselves become its victims too.

This is what happened to the Germans, and it will happen to us. "Liquidmicro," I suggest you study history a little more. I suggest starting with the diaries of Viktor Klemperer.

Cayla, Eric, Yeah (learn english Man), Liquid, Jill, Magyart,

IS this what you truly want to support. All this hate will only destroy you. You will be the one that suffers most.
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Supporters of the San Diego Minutemen held signs that said things like:

"Support Americans Not La Raza",
"La Raza Means 'The Race'",
"La Raza Stop the Hate Against Americans",
"La Raza, Neo-Nazi, KKK, Racist Groups",
"Obama: 50% White, 43.75% Arabic, 6.25% Black, 100% Brown RACIST"

Just as I was about to turn away from filming a man holding a sign of a boy urinating on the phrase "La Raza", I heard him begin to chant, "Fuck You Brown Boy. Fuck You Brown Boy. Fuck You Brown Boy." The San Diego Minuteman supporter was walking up a ramp to the convention center and was speaking to another full-grown man that looked to be of latino descent to me.

In all fairness, I have no idea what the latino man was saying to the San Diego Minutemenn supporter. It could have been just as hateful. I followed them until they parted ways and just as I was about to stop filming again, a group of people walked through chanting, "Viva La Raza. Viva La Raza." The Minuteman supporter then went at it again, "Fuck La Raza. Fuck La Raza. Fuck La Raza."

It was heated out there. I tried to interview supporters of the San Diego Minutemen, but most walked away when I asked them. I was able to interview one woman, and they'll be back tomorrow when I will try to interview them again. It's not fair of me to call them out like this without getting an official comment from them.

Still, I find it ironic that the San Diego Minutemen were holding signs calling out the National Council of La Raza for their supposed racism at the same time that this man was engaging what was clearly blatant racism to me. How can you call a grown latino man a "boy" and condemn an entire race without being racist?
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Imperial Sociopaths
by Kurt Nimmo

Dissident Voice
September 15, 2003

"The sociopath sees other people as objects to be manipulated and used, much as the rest of us would use a screwdriver or a kleenex. The sociopath feels no empathy for others (although he can fake empathy) and he feels no shame or remorse about abusing people. In his universe, he is the center, and everyone else exists only to serve him."

-- Glenn Campbell

Christopher Columbus was a Sociopath

"It appears to me, that the people are ingenious, and would be good servants and I am of opinion that they would very readily become Christians, as they appear to have no religion," wrote Columbus in his journal upon encountering the natives of Guanahani.

Columbus installed himself as "viceroy and governor of [the Caribbean islands] and the mainland" of America. He instituted slavery (encomiendo) and engaged in the systematic extermination of the native Taino population. These natives numbered approximately 8 million when Columbus arrived; upon his departure the Taino numbered around 100,000. A census taken in 1542 reported only 200 remained. By 1555 the natives of Haiti were completely extinct. "All told, it is probable that more than one hundred million native people were 'eliminated' in the course of Europe's ongoing 'civilization' of the Western Hemisphere," explains Ward Churchill.

"There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history," radio talkshow know-it-all Rush Limbaugh once declared. "Does this sound like a record of genocide?"

Yet according to the 2000 Census, there were 1,678,765 Indian Americans, down from an excess of 12 million prior to the arrival of Columbus. Not only is Limbaugh a liar -- he is an ignoramus. But then considering he makes a comfortable living inventing excuses for neocon sociopaths, this should probably be expected.

Going after the New Canaanites

John Winthrop, the first governor of Massachusetts Bay, considered America the New Israel and the Puritans Israelites. Like the Zionists of today, these evangelical Puritans believed the land where millions of indigenous natives lived was for their exclusive use and possession, given to them by an Old Testament god. The American Indians were the "new Canaanites" in America's "Promised Land." It was the divine mission of the Puritans to convert these "Canaanites" to Christianity. If that failed, it was acceptable to slaughter them in the name of Christ.

"God laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven," declared Captain John Mason as he went about slaughtering the Pequot Indian tribe in 1637. "Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies." "Sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents," added Captain John Underhill. "We have sufficient light from the Word of God for our proceedings." In other words, the Puritans referenced the Bible for genocidal inspiration, just as the Zionists and the Christian Zionists reference it today.

Within two hundred years John Winthrop's New Israel became John L. O'Sullivan's Manifest Destiny. It contained similar evangelical Christian underpinnings. "It had a future that was destined by God to expand its borders, with no limit to area or country. All the traveling and expansion were part of the spirit of Manifest Destiny, a belief that it was God's will that Americans spread over the entire continent, and to control and populate the country as they see fit. Many expansionists conceived God as having the power to sustain and guide human destiny," notes Michael T. Lubragge. Manifest Destiny seized the Puritan notion of establishing a "city on a hill" and injected it with ideological and religious steroids. And like the Puritans, adherents of Manifest Destiny had no problem eliminating those who stood in their way -- namely Indians.

According to O'Sullivan, a democratic leader and influential editor, the unhindered imperialist expansion of European white people over native American land was "right such as that of the tree to the space of air and the earth suitable for the full expansion of its principle and destiny of growth." Soon after O'Sullivan uttered these words, the United States declared war on Mexico and proceeded to grab much of what is now the Southwestern United States.

William E. Channing, in a letter to Henry Clay in 1837, wrote that "the Indians have melted before the white man, and the mixed, degraded race of Mexico must melt before the Anglo-Saxon. Away with this vile sophistry! There is no necessity for crime. There is no fate to justify rapacious nations, any more than to justify gamblers and robbers, in plunder. We boast of the progress of society, and this progress consists in the substitution of reason and moral principle for the sway of brute force."

So powerful was the "sway of brute force" mingled with religious fanaticism in the name of empire that Albert T. Beveridge stood before the Senate and proclaimed: "God has not been preparing the English-speaking and Tectonic peoples for a thousand years for nothing but vain and idle self-admiration. No! He has made us the master organizers of the world to establish system where chaos reigns... He has made us adepts in government that we may administer government among savages and senile peoples." If you edit out the overt racism and over-the-top religiosity from the above statement it sounds close to something a neocon sociopath told the Wall Street Journal last week. It's a "clash of civilizations" driving the neocon war against the Third World, the idea that our everybody on the planet should have "democracy" forced on them at gunpoint. No doubt Albert T. Beveridge would nod his head in agreement if he were alive today.

Chronic Wrongdoing in the Empire

But it wasn't strictly the American West and Mexico where Manifest Destiny came into destructive play. The US intervened militarily in Puerto Rico (1824), Nicaragua (1857 and 1860), and in the province of Panama (1860). In 1898, President McKinley used the accidental explosion aboard the US battleship Maine in Havana harbor as a pretext to launch the Spanish-American war and invade and occupy Cuba.

"Incidental to our tenure in the Philippines is the commercial opportunity to which American statesmanship cannot be indifferent," declared McKinley as Admiral Dewey destroyed Spain's Pacific fleet at Cavite, in the Philippines. The "annexation" of the Philippines resulted in 200,000 civilian dead and nearly fifty years of US colonialism. "Whatever a man feels or thinks or does, there is never any but one reason for it -- and that is a selfish one," wrote Mark Twain of the invasion and occupation of the Philippines.

"Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the US, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of an international police power," said President Theodore Roosevelt in 1903. In other words, the United States felt compelled to protect the interests of the United Fruit Company in Costa Rica, Colombia, and Venezuela.

The Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine in 1905 declared the United States to be the policeman of the Caribbean. That same year the Dominican Republic was placed under a customs receivership, i.e., the US would run its affairs and decide what particular sociopath would act as its unelected leader, so long as he knew how the treat the locals when they revolted, as they did on occasion. So feverish was the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine that when the Mexicans refused to salute the US flag, a battleship shelled Veracruz and Marines invaded part of the city.

American Sociopaths: Serving Other Imperatives

And so US sociopaths behaved for most of the 20th century. "The engine of American foreign policy has been fueled not by a devotion to any kind of morality, but rather by the necessity to serve other imperatives," writes William Blum (a lack of moral sense is a key attribute of clinical sociopathy). As the meticulous research of Blum demonstrates, the United States intervened covertly and overtly in:

China (1945-49)

Italy (1947-48)

Greece (1947-49 and 1964-74)

the Philippines (1945-53)

South Korea (1945-53)

Albania (1949-53)

Iran (1953)

Guatemala (1953-1990s)

the Middle East (1956-58)

Indonesia (1957-58 and 1965)

British Guiana/Guyana (1953-64)

Vietnam (1950-73), Cambodia (1955-73)

the Congo/Zaire (1960-65)

Brazil (1961-64)

the Dominican Republic (1963-66)

Cuba (1959 to present)

Chile (1964-73)

East Timor (1975 to present)

Nicaragua (1978-89)

Grenada (1979-84)

Libya (1981-89)

Panama (1989)

Iraq (1990s and 2003)

Afghanistan (1979-92 and 2001 to the present),

El Salvador (1980-92)

Yugoslavia (1999)

These interventions and covert underminings have resulted in numerous military coups, countless tortures, disappearances, mass starvation, assassinations, and literally millions of dead people all over the world (200,000 in East Timor out of a population of between 600,000 and 700,000; a million in Indonesia; 75,000 in El Salvador; 100,000 in Guatemala; upward to 2 million in Cambodia; 3 million in Vietnam).

Creative Destruction: the Neocon Sociopaths

The Bush neocons are simply the most recent and some would argue to most vicious and ideologically demented of a long line of American sociopaths serving empire and pathologically selfish personal interests. While an earlier sociopath, Albert T. Beveridge, believed the Judeo-Christian god "has made us the master organizers of the world to establish system where chaos reigns," present day neocon sociopath Michael Ledeen has embraced chaos and declares "Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically..."

Ledeen may sincerely believe this form of destruction -- the neocon "sway of brute force" in the name of a renewed and updated version of global Manifest Destiny and an Americanized "city on a hill" -- may be "creative," but for thousands of Iraqis and Afghans it is nothing less than merciless barbarism, pernicious mass murder. Spreading between 1000-2000 tons of depleted uranium over the Iraqi countryside is anything but creative -- it is a war crime of a nearly unimaginable magnitude, an immeasurably destructive act.

The neocons, of course, are not the only ideological sociopaths on the block. Large organizations of monetary sociopaths -- most notably the IMF and World Bank -- have no interest in "Christianizing" natives in the Third World, but are as interested in gold -- or rather the new financial gold produced through debt -- as Columbus and the Conquistadors.

"Debt is an efficient tool," writes Susan George. "It ensures access to other peoples' raw materials and infrastructure on the cheapest possible terms." Just as sociopaths following the selfish white-only Christian contrivances of Manifest Destiny plotted to strip the Pequot, Narragansetts, the Mohawks, the Pokanoket and many other tribes of their ancestral land, so the sociopaths at the helm of the IMF and World Bank conspire to steal land from the original indigenous peoples of Papua New Guinea and elsewhere. According to UNICEF, 500,000 children per year die because of IMF and World Bank "structural readjustment programs," the main tool used to gain control of land and natural resources in the Third World. Only a sociopath can sit in an office on Wall Street or in Singapore and not be disturbed by the mass suffering and death caused by these criminal financial policies.

"The United States achieved its present position of strength not by practicing a foreign policy of live and let live, nor by passively waiting for threats to arise, but by actively promoting American principles of governance abroad -- democracy, free markets, respect for liberty," explain the neocon twins Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. In other words, the United States has consistently employed military force to impose "free markets" and "democracy" -- as defined by Wall Street, investment bankers, transnational corporations, the IMF and World Bank -- on the Third World. "Support for American principles around the world can be sustained only by the continuing exertion of American influence."

Resistance to the Imperial Drive of the Neocon Sociopath

As Ken Reiner notes, people need to understand the neocon military/transnational vision of world domination -- and soon. If left unchecked, "America will continue its imperial drive, utilizing its World Bank, IMF and WTO to place the entire world under corporate control and into conditions of slavery and colonialism. Concurrently it is uncontrollably on a path that will irreversibly destroy the environment and the lives of billions of helpless peoples throughout the world."

In small ways, resistance to the master plan of the neocon sociopaths and the transnational corporations they work for is growing. For instance, on September 12, workers and farmers in Bangalore, India, destroyed a greenhouse at a research facility belonging to St. Louis-based Monsanto, which sells genetically modified seeds. "We timed the attack to draw the attention of those attending the World Trade Organization meeting in Cancun, Mexico," said M.D. Nanjundaswamy, president of the Karnataka State Farmers Association, an organization opposed to the introduction of genetically altered cotton seeds in India, saying they are environmentally hazardous and could contaminate the genes of native varieties through cross pollination.

From the Zapatista movement in Mexico to Sin Tierra in Brazil, to peasant movements in India and beyond, there is a growing activism in opposition to the inhumane neoliberal schemes of the neocons. Bush may attempt to attack these movements by clamping down on humanitarian NGOs -- who often work side by side with peasant groups -- but his efforts are destined to failure.

Resistance is growing exponentially and eventually through patience and persistence the reign of the American sociopath may one day come to an end. Hopefully this will happen before the clique of neocon sociopaths in Washington -- espousing their own high-tech version of Manifest Destiny -- completely destroy the planet's already damaged biosphere.

Kurt Nimmo is a photographer, multimedia artist and writer living in New Mexico. To see his photo work and read more of his essays, visit his excellent “Another Day in the Empire” weblog: http://www.drmenlo.com/nimmo/

laura, this was my remark below in here regarding this woman. Do you want to apologize now or later for accusing me of applauding the treatment of this woman?

"If the claims are actually true, then I agree that that the treatment of this woman was unwarranted and the PD should be investigated."

(Edited by Latina Lista moderator)

"IS this what you truly want to support. All this hate will only destroy you. You will be the one that suffers most.
~~

Supporters of the San Diego Minutemen held signs that said things like:"

You confuse my beliefs and opinions with that of groups that you associate as being on my side. You believe because they advocate something one way that those of us who advocate the same thing to a degree are all "guilty by association"? And you wonder why this situation has been stalled.

You deem us as hateful, by your own convictions. You refuse to understand our points of view and 'condemn' us to hell. I merely point out the actual situations and what the laws state. I have no problems with you guys having bleeding hearts, it's good to know, however do not condemn those of us who don't.

"Sadists like the policemen who abused this mother."

How was this 'mother' abused by a police officer? She was treated no differently than any other detainee. Instead of arguing for just this one woman, how about then arguing for all women incarcerated in the position of giving birth and treated just like this. You condemn the officer unjustly for merely doing his job, but because he didn't live up to your moral wish, he is a 'Sadist'?

"LOOK AT THIS WOMAN"S FACE AND TELL ME SHE IS NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN.
Mexicans are American Indians - It's the Border that is Illegal"

Back to his again. I asked before: How long must one live in an area to be deemed "Indigenous"? Even those in Europe are migrants, dating back 40,000 + years ago. The world became populated due to migration, no matter how long ago.

For the USA and your argument of "Mound Builders", what of those that were "Mound Builders" from Europe dating back to before the "Mound Builders" of the USA? Could they be related? What of the White skinned mummies found in the Utah and Nevada caves, carbon dating them back to the time of the Bearing Straight? Could they be my ancestors therefor deeming me and the White Anglos as "Indigenous" as well on this continent? What of the Chinese who discovered the Coast of California in 498 AD. Should they also be considered "Indigenous" to this Continent? What about the Vikings who founded the east coast in 1000 AD?

I ask again, how long must one live in an area to be considered "Indigenous" to that area? How can one then claim the entire continent when they merely passed through and settled where they ended up or there last known final location?

do you think the German police in 1940 would have shackled a Jewish woman in labor to the hospital bed by her wrist and ankle? Do you think they would have let an - armed - male guard watch her as she was changing?"

They would have actually watched her undress, took her belongings, forced her into the shower area with everybody else, and then gassed and killed her. No need for shackles.

"Do you think they would have kept her feet shackled after childbirth when she went to the bathroom so she couldn't clean herself?"

She was able to use the restroom to clean herself, shackles only slowed her trip to the john. Did she need to put her legs behind her head to clean or did she need to squat over the bowl to do it with a wet towlett? Shackles allow for movement.

She was treated no different than any other detainee. But, since you like Nazi Germany so much, maybe we should begin to do what you instill up on us, treat them as the Jews were. After all you are for equality right.

E
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Wow Evelyn, your whole rebuttle was deleted, I guess so much for civility on your side.

Since you, Laura, and Alex all feel that myself, Frank, Horace, Grandma, Cayla, Eric, Yeahman, Jill, Magyart are all guilty by association of the minutemen and various other groups such as the KKK, etc, and that we are racist.

Are we to believe that you guys all want cheap slave labor and to be called mass'er? Are we to believe that your greed wares the mask of morality based on your accusations of us and the fact that big business and corporations are on your side wanting cheap labor?

Why don't you guys try arguing the points made with facts vs. spouting 'racist', 'sadist', and various other forms of vulgarity. Most of all, quit arguing with others opinions, you don't need to post an entire article, try posting just the relevant or pertenant information.

Laura, you are aware that you are offending the Holocaust survivors and the German peoples by comparing Nazi Germany to what is happening today to the "Illegal Immigrants", if you are not aware of this, maybe you should be.

IS this what you truly want to support. All this hate will only destroy you. You will be the one that suffers most.
~~

Supporters of the San Diego Minutemen held signs that said things like:"

You confuse my beliefs and opinions with that of groups that you associate as being on my side. You believe because they advocate something one way that those of us who advocate the same thing to a degree are all "guilty by association"? And you wonder why this situation has been stalled.

E
When someone thinks it's OK for people like themselves to immigrate to the U.S. but if the people immigrating are not like them and because of this, should be rejected,(and they conjure up all kinds of lies as to why they should be rejected,) that is racism.

To treat "them" as equal to "us" is to be patriotic and American, as that is what this country is supposedly founded on. Justice and equality.
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You deem us as hateful, by your own convictions.

E
It's not just me. Many people and organizations can see the racism. When people want to exclude "others" because they do not like "them," that is racism and racism is hateful and unacceptable among other things.
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You refuse to understand our points of view and 'condemn' us to hell.

E
I understand your point perfectly. You want to exclude immigrants especially Mexicans and Hispanics from becoming legal or citizens, like your ancestors did.

You make up lies that demonize them to further your agenda because you dont have a leg to stand on.

It's been done over and over throughout Americas history and the racists have never prevailed. I will add an article following this one that addresses that issue.

I do not have the power to condemn you to hell only your actions do. I can only warn or remind you when I see those actions. That is according to your Bible.

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I merely point out the actual situations and what the laws state. I have no problems with you guys having bleeding hearts, it's good to know, however do not condemn those of us who don't.

E
I dont condemn those who dont have a "bleeding hearts" as you put it, psychiatrists do. I only reprint what they publish.
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"Sadists like the policemen who abused this mother."

How was this 'mother' abused by a police officer? She was treated no differently than any other detainee. Instead of arguing for just this one woman, how about then arguing for all women incarcerated in the position of giving birth and treated just like this. You condemn the officer unjustly for merely doing his job, but because he didn't live up to your moral wish, he is a 'Sadist'?

E
I never used the word 'sadist,' I would have called him an ignorant racists. Ignorant because he didnt understand the law. Racist because of his actions.

According to ICE's own definition of the 287(g):

What is the program designed to do?
The 287(g) program is designed to enable state and local law enforcement personnel, incidental to a lawful arrest and during the course of their normal duties, to question and detain individuals for potential removal from the United States , if these individuals are identified as undocumented illegal aliens and they are suspected of committing a state crime.

What is the program not designed to do?

The 287(g) program is not designed to allow state and local agencies to perform random street operations. It is not designed to impact issues such as excessive occupancy and day laborer activities. In outlining the program, ICE representatives have repeatedly emphasized that it is designed to identify individuals for potential removal, who pose a threat to public safety, as a result of an arrest and /or conviction for state crimes. It does not impact traffic offenses such as driving without a license unless the offense leads to an arrest.

As stated earlier, Villegas DeLaPaz didn't have a valid driver's license but she did have two other pieces of documentation that should have sufficed and garnered her only a written citation: a valid vehicle registration sticker and a consulate photo identification.

With these two pieces of documentation, it should have been enough to let her go with a citation, especially since the officers saw her advanced stages of pregnancy. Yet, in this climate of zero tolerance and zero common sense, they chose to use her lack of a driver's license as cause to arrest her, though 287 (g) guidelines explicitly say the individual should "pose a threat to public safety" and "does not impact traffic offenses such as driving without a license
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"LOOK AT THIS WOMAN"S FACE AND TELL ME SHE IS NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN.
Mexicans are American Indians - It's the Border that is Illegal"

Back to his again. I asked before: How long must one live in an area to be deemed "Indigenous"? Even those in Europe are migrants, dating back 40,000 + years ago. The world became populated due to migration, no matter how long ago.

E
Trying to spin the meaning of the word indigenous as used to describe people will not change it's meaning.
From Wikipedia
The term indigenous peoples or autochthonous peoples can be used to describe any ethnic group who inhabit the geographic region with which they have the earliest historical connection
first peoples

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For the USA and your argument of "Mound Builders", what of those that were "Mound Builders" from Europe dating back to before the "Mound Builders" of the USA? Could they be related? What of the White skinned mummies found in the Utah and Nevada caves, carbon dating them back to the time of the Bearing Straight? Could they be my ancestors therefor deeming me and the White Anglos as "Indigenous" as well on this continent? What of the Chinese who discovered the Coast of California in 498 AD. Should they also be considered "Indigenous" to this Continent? What about the Vikings who founded the east coast in 1000 AD?

E
I dont think any of those peoples ever stayed to become indigenous. If they would have stayed we would all know. Like I said trying to spin indigenous to include people who maybe only visited this land is comparable to the lies made up to try and demonize the immigrants. That is how one can tell people who are affiliated with the various hate groups/ SOS, minuteKLAN, all of you have the same argument that makes no sence and everyone is ashamed to admit they belong to those hate groups.

~~~

I ask again, how long must one live in an area to be considered "Indigenous" to that area? How can one then claim the entire continent when they merely passed through and settled where they ended up or there last known final location?

E
It is not a matter of time but a matter of who was first and who stayed. Native Americans believe they originated here and have been here forever. Many theories have been offered as to how they got here but none have been proven.
The entire continent is claimed because the entire continent was inhab