I can just see the graffiti now! lol.

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Frank :
I can just see the graffiti now! lol.

E
Gee, I didn't know the minutemensos liked to tag. ???

Yes, it needs signs every 50 yards, with arrows pointing in the direction of the official entry point to the U.S.; "This Way to U.S. Border Entry Point, Have a Nice Day".

They MM don't tag but we sure know who does, don't we? Are you in denial again?

Those billboards would end up being more of any eyesore with their graffiti on them than any plain fence would. Although I don't think that fences are eyesores anyway. This one is even see through.

This fence isnt going to bust a grape. It's being built to apease the 'ignorance breeds racism crowd.'

I'll bet many of you aren't aware that trains come directly from Mexico into the U.S.

They could build a fence thirty feet high all across the border and that will not stop people wanting to cross.

Someone that lives on the border day after day will tell you walking across the border isnt the only way to come in.

That is why the only way to stop the flow of immigrants is to cut off the jobs. That is why they come.

Not for welfare. Not for medical care, or any of the other lies the racists have made up. They come to work.

Oh, sure our government is going to build a multi-billion dollar fence to appease racists! LOL! Thanks for the good laugh!

They may still "want" to cross after it is built but it will be next to impossible. Along the San Diego border there is an 18 miles stretch of the double layered fence and it has cut back illegal entry there by 90%! I would say it is worth it if we only have to deal with the other 10%!

Well for once we agree on something. Cut off the jobs by implementing the e-verify system in the workplace. That AND the fence will stop it dead in its tracks. Terrorists are not interested in jobs so we still need the fence to stop them and the drug trafficers.

The illegals may not come with the intent to collect welfare or medical but after they get here sometimes it becomes necessary to use them both. If they weren't here there would be no need for them to use them. We shouldn't be educating children here illegally either. That is their homeland's job.

As long as you dont get tired of spewing the same lies, we going to have to get used to debunking them.

Frank said:
Oh, sure our government is going to build a multi-billion dollar fence to appease racists! LOL! Thanks for the good laugh!

E
This was reported in the NY times.

The fencing projects are part of a larger administration effort to improve enforcement at the border and within the country and repair some of the political damage that immigration has done to President Bush and his party. Bush vigorously supported the failed immigration bill that would have given some legal status to undocumented immigrants in the United States.

The president’s stance left many GOP voters angry about his support for what they called amnesty. The issue also bitterly divided Republicans, many of whom argued that enforcement should be the government’s first or even sole response.

To appease conservative GOP critics and bolster support for broader reforms, Bush approved a plan in 2006 that authorized 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico.

Chertoff said that by the end of next year, the administration planned to fence off 90% to 95% of the border from the Pacific Ocean to Texas, adding that the Rio Grande forms a natural barrier. In addition to 370 miles of fencing, the agency is building 300 miles of vehicle barriers.

“That is a big step forward in answering the public outcry to have some protection at the Southwest border,” Chertoff said. But he added that two challenges are getting funding from Congress and dealing with uncooperative landowners.

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They may still "want" to cross after it is built but it will be next to impossible. Along the San Diego border there is an 18 miles stretch of the double layered fence and it has cut back illegal entry there by 90%! I would say it is worth it if we only have to deal with the other 10%!

E
The border is two thousand miles long.

That 90% you speak of is still coming in, some place else. You have no consept of how things work on the border.

My husband's family owns several trinket (leather goods, gold and silver jewelry and all kinds of junk to tourists) shops in Mexico. One is located just a few steps from one of the major border crossing points.

I still speak to the family often and they tell me people dont even have to walk after they cross the border anymore.

Crossing the border is very simple. The check points along the roads located about 50 miles to the interior from the border are the hard ones to get across, but with all the sophisticated electronic equipment available these days the coyotes have that all under control these days.

The coyotes are better equipped then the Border Patrol. No stupid fence is going to stop them. When the Border Patrol catches a group of people coming over it's probably because that is what the coyotes wanted. Those people were sent ahead as a diversion.
It works the same way with the drugs.

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The illegals may not come with the intent to collect welfare or medical but after they get here sometimes it becomes necessary to use them both. If they weren't here there would be no need for them to use them.

E
An 'ill eagle' is a sick bird. Why not call them what you call your ancestors that invaded and murdered 95% of the Native Americans. IMMIGRANTS!

TRUTH is they dont collect welfair or medical so that is a total LIE. More spinning facts and spewing of racist BS.
Immigrants dont even qualify for welfair or medical or medicaid or any services offered by SRS.

Immigration Policy Center
Immigrants use relatively few federal or state public-benefit programs

􀂾 The vast majority of immigrants are not eligible to receive public benefits such as Medicaid, State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or food stamps for many years after their arrival in the United States, if ever. Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards. Undocumented immigrants, who comprise nearly one-third of all immigrants in the country, are not eligible for any kind of public benefits—ever.Immigrants use relatively few federal or state public-benefit programs
􀂾 The vast majority of immigrants are not eligible to receive public benefits such as Medicaid, State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or food stamps for many years after their arrival in the United States, if ever. Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards. Undocumented immigrants, who comprise nearly one-third of all immigrants in the country, are not eligible for any kind of public benefits—ever.

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We shouldn't be educating children here illegally either. That is their homeland's job.

E
You aren't, the billions dollars paid in taxes by immigrants that feed you and pay your Social Security check every month also pay for the education of their children.

Because we are also culprits of disasters in immigrants homelands and their demise, we have made it our responsibility also.

Your Huddled Masses are now my Wretched Refuse

April 3, 2006
by Jason Miller

If she drew breath, the Statue of Liberty would drop her torch in disgust and hang her head in shame.

Inculcated with the belief that they are morally superior and endowed with an inalienable right to world domination, the members of America's ruling White Patriarchy and their ardent supporters have an immigration problem. Too many "little Brown people" are streaming across their southern border. As America's de facto ruling class wrangles with numerous potential solutions, they are overlooking the obvious: ask the Native Americans what to do. After all, those who forged the American Empire nearly drove the indigenous people of North America to extinction. At the very least, the relatively few survivors of the Native American genocide could help their White "superiors" put their comparatively minute problem into perspective by reminding them that things could be much worse.

While the Western European invaders simply murdered and displaced hundreds of thousands of Native Americans, the "marauders" from Mexico (and the rest of Latin America) are committing such heinous acts as working hard, exercising a devotion to family, and living decent, honest lives. Wearing their psychological chains with pride, those who truly believe in the myth of the superiority of the White-dominated American Empire provide unflinching support for a government of criminals, murderers, and state terrorists as they seek to rid themselves of the "dirty, lazy" Latinos. While some are not even conscious of their racism or allegiance to evil, they are just as culpable as those who are.

Driven by unbridled consumerism, "patriotic" support of a militaristic regime (which is drenched in the blood of millions of murdered civilians), narcissism, self-absorption, xenophobia, racism, and an insatiable demand for the exploitation of the rest of the planet to keep them comfortable, the American Empire's loyalists are demanding an end to the "Southern Invasion". Sadly, hubris, insularity, bigotry, the endorsement of murder and torture, and unsurpassed greed are the hallmarks of a nation which purports to be a bastion of freedom, justice, human rights, and equality. Trudging through a blinding blizzard of facts which expose the United States as a ruthless empire, the purveyors of the American Myth doggedly indoctrinate their minions with a relentless argumentum ad nauseam, convincing many that the United States is a benevolent beacon of hope for humanity.

Pigs will be pigs

Just as the implementation of the utopian ideas of Communism resulted in human suffering and totalitarianism, American Capitalism is an abject failure for humanity, registering quite high on the misery index. Few would argue that the United States affords a robust standard of living to many of its citizens, but how much of humanity really benefits? The 295 million people of the United States account for a mere 5% of the world's population. A tiny fraction (about 2,950,000 individuals) of that meager sliver of humanity feasts on a herd of fatted calves. Meanwhile, 3 billion human beings are left to gnaw on the leftover bones, clinging to survival on an income of less than $2 per day.

Despite possessing obscenely abundant resources and wealth, the Empire even neglects some of its own. 13% of Americans live below the official poverty line. Over a million Americans are homeless. Many of these homeless are children, untreated mentally ill individuals and military veterans (who proudly served their country only to find themselves discarded like human garbage). American Capitalism comes complete with a dose of significant racism. 25% of American Blacks and 22% of Latinos are poverty-stricken while 91.4% of the privileged White majority lives above the poverty line.

Consider that the Capitalistic economic engine of the American Empire, which benefits a thimbleful of the world's 6.5 billion people, was built through mass murder perpetrated against Native Americans and the profoundly evil enslavement of our Black brothers and sisters. Further perpetuated by the exploitation of the working class during the Gilded Age, the juggernaut American economy is now maintained by the cheap labor of illegal immigrants in the United States, the gross exploitation of workers in corporate America's offshore sweat shops, decreasing regulation of corporations, and an ongoing assault against the American working class including massive layoffs, union busting, and job off-shoring. Obviously, one cannot change the past, but one can learn from egregiously immoral behaviors, make amends, and work to change. It is evident that the Empire has no intention of mending its ways.

Despite the false dichotomy presented by the government and the mainstream media, there are choices beyond the collectivism of Communism and the unfettered greed of Capitalism. It is a moral imperative and a pragmatic necessity that the United States begin to strive for a more equitable distribution of wealth, stronger government regulation of corporations (to minimize their crimes against humanity), and socio-economic justice.

We tolerate intolerance

Beneath the noble rhetoric about equality in America lurk the sinister realities of racism, bigotry, and ignorance. America's extremist Christians persistently fight to deny rights to homosexuals and women while supporting the ongoing state terrorism committed by the US and Israel. The Klan and other White supremacist groups have been making a powerful resurgence by recruiting via the Internet. A federal government which collects massive tax revenues (and is charged with providing for the general welfare of its people) committed passive mass murder and criminal negligence in New Orleans, where virtually all of the victims were poor Blacks.

Despite some progress, many Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans still find themselves desperately grasping for the bottom rungs of the socioeconomic ladder. The wealth gap between Whites and minorities is a chasm, with White families averaging ten times the average net worth of Blacks and Hispanics. The Empire serves its law and order with a side of discrimination. As of June of 2004, 2,531 out of every 100,000 blacks and 957 per 100,000 Latinos were in prison. Compare that to the 393 of every 100,000 White Americans doing time. For many outside of the "inner circle" of America's White Patriarchy, the United States is not the land of opportunity; it is a land of economic and social brutality.

Both my personal experiences and my more abstract studies lead me to conclude that racism and intolerance are alive and well in America. Having befriended several Latinos, numerous Blacks, two lesbians, a number of Muslims, and a gay man, I have listened to many minorities share their personal experiences which underscore the bigotry rippling throughout American society.

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While I am not particularly happy to be a cog in the machinery of Capitalism (as a working person, taxpayer and consumer), I strive to make a positive difference on several levels, including participating in NGO's, boycotting, demonstrating, teaching my children alternatives to the "American Dream", and recycling. Besides those activities and my avocation of composing essays and publishing Thomas Paine's Corner, I devote much of my time to my vocation. My customers are primarily immigrants, many of whom are Hispanic. A large percentage of my clients speak very little English, so I have taught myself Spanish to enable me to help them. My employer offers unskilled immigrant laborers an opportunity to buy equipment for a business (with low barriers to entry) where they can make over $100,000 per year. The alternative for many would be to make minimum wage working fast food or some other menial job. Often I hear of their struggles, the discrimination they face, and the belligerent attitudes they encounter for not learning "our language" quickly enough. To drive the absurdity of that expectation home, consider the fact that as Americans, we do not even have our own language. As a nation of immigrants (excepting our indigenous Native American brethren), we speak English, not "American". Imagine that.

Paul Revere rides again

America's ruling class created their own immigration problem. Now Congress is contemplating draconian solutions which will cause human suffering. How typical for the leaders of the Empire and their lemming-like followers. Spurring Congress to take action, a repugnant vigilante group calling themselves the Minutemen now patrols parts of the southern border of the United States; they are armed and dangerous. While the Minutemen are endorsed and supported by White supremacist groups, they claim they are simply there to help the US government protect America's borders from potential terrorists, criminals, and immigrants carrying diseases.

With the Minutemen crying, "The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!", the US Senate is debating several measures to deal with illegal immigration, one of which would include the erection of an Apartheid wall, the arrest and criminal detention of illegal immigrants, and criminal charges against those offering aid to illegal immigrants. Regardless of the outcome of the debate, I will continue to help the illegal immigrants I know. My moral values supersede the laws of men.

Catch 22

Representing the 12 million illegal immigrants who have established residence in the United States, millions of Latinos and their supporters have engaged in a number of protests around the United States over the past week. Their moral outrage is justified in the face of the entrenched power structure's bid to criminalize millions of hard-working human beings and to punish compassionate people who help them.

Meanwhile, corporate champions (like George Bush), whose greed over-rides their racist, xenophobic tendencies, want to find a way to keep illegal immigrants in the United States as "temporary guest workers" since they are a source of cheap, submissive labor. With the Thirteenth Amendment impeding them, the leaders America's corporatocracy are not about to let these indentured servants slip away from them.

Self-inflicted wound

Living in denial, the American Empire is blinded to its culpability in creating the immigration problem. By enabling US corporations to build manufacturing facilities in Mexico starting in the early 1970's, the United States set itself up for a mass exodus across its border and, at the same time, betrayed its own working class. While the US businesses maintained miserable working conditions and paid a small fraction of what they were paying American workers, the poor in Mexico flocked to the jobs they offered. Unfortunately for them, many American businesses closed up shop and moved on to other countries once they found cheaper labor pools. Many of those factories were close to the US border, leaving large numbers of unemployed Mexicans living near states like Texas and Arizona. Who can blame them for risking illegal immigration to escape their miserable situations?

Furthering its illegal immigration woes and deepening the plight of the American working class, the United States accelerated the movement of US corporations onto foreign soil by passing laws such as NAFTA. Utilizing neocolonial and imperial tools like the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the CIA support of dictators friendly to US corporate interests, and even invasion, the Empire has bled the people and resources of developing nations like a vampire with an insatiable bloodlust. Besides subjecting the citizens of other nations to abject poverty, the Empire has slaughtered millions of innocent civilians with its behemoth military machine, and is continuing this pattern in Iraq. Employing the lessons of its early history, the United States enthusiastically enables Israel in the genocide of the Palestinian people.

Stop the killing and share the wealth

Why wouldn't people flock to the security and prosperity of the Empire? After all, the rest of the world is a dangerous place considering that the imperialist United States has run its "collateral damage" count into the multi-millions despite its relatively brief existence, has declared that it is above international and humanitarian law, and invades nations "pre-emptively". Since 25% of the world's resources flow into a nation of only 300 million, some of the other 6.2 billion human beings are bound to show up on the Empire's doorstep begging for food.

American Capitalism and the American Empire are blights on humanity, particularly outside of the United States. They render far more damage to the rest of the world than to the United States, which explains why a small number of Americans expatriate while millions of immigrants flock to this nation.

Congress will pass a law which will put a bandage on the immigration problem, but the wound will not heal. One piece of legislation will not come close to addressing the myriad underlying causes. Ultimately, the United States' increasing trajectory toward a more brutal form of Capitalism with fewer restrictions on corporations (and hence less protection for workers and consumers) coupled with a rapid acceleration of the American Empire's quest for global hegemony will spark an influx of illegal immigrants. Until the White American Plutocracy and their brainwashed adherents end their tenacious and destructive efforts to ensure the perpetuation of a "White man's world", they will continue to be plagued by an onslaught of "little Brown people" who speak a language that is "downright un-American".

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What You Can Do About Racism

THE WEAPON THAT RACISTS FEAR MOST IS TRUTH
Express your opinion everywhere you see racism in word or action. Teach children and young people right from wrong, and explain to them the real reasons for the problems in the world, the poverty that causes crime, the exploitation that causes social pressures, and the stresses that cause outbreaks of violence.
Educate yourself and others to the dangers and origins of racism.

Oh well hell, if the NY Times says that our government is building a fence to appease a minority of racists in this country then it must be so, LOL! And you ask for credible sources from us?

By the way, your character assisination of me, lies about me and false accusations of racism of me is about to end! I am telling Marisa right now that if she doesn't want civil debate in here then I am gone! I will not tolerate your hateful, schoolyard bullying tactics anymore.

Every forum and blog should draw the line somewhere on personal attacks and insults that go on for months and months or they make themselves look foolish whenever anyone reads them. As a journalist I would think she wouldn't want this image for her blog. It will be her choice whether she reins you in or I leave!

Could I make a request Marisa that we post a link to articles and only highlight a few points of them? This posting of articles hundreds of sentences long is getting ridiculous. I doubt anyone reads anything that long (I know I don't) and it takes up a lot of space in here.

I dont post them for your benefit.

I post them so others can see truth and make a decision for themselves.

I really dont care if you read them or not. If you did maybe then you could see how foolish the BS you spew is.

Yet you can never provide proof of any so-called BS I spew in here. All you do is attribute OTHER'S articles and remarks to ME and fling insults around. I am telling you again that if you call me a racist or any other similar words again, I am leaving this blog for good! I will no longer tolerate false accusations about me and your constant character assininations of me. You are despicable!

What is wrong with posting a link to an article and just highlighting a few points from it rather than posting the whole thing that is several hundred sentences long? If someone wants to read the whole thing they can click on the link. One has to scroll forever to get past it. I would be willing to bet that hardly anyone in here will sit and read the whole thing in this blog.

By the way, your character assisination of me, lies about me and false accusations of racism of me is about to end! I am telling Marisa right now that if she doesn't want civil debate in here then I am gone! I will not tolerate your hateful, schoolyard bullying tactics anymore.

Every forum and blog should draw the line somewhere on personal attacks and insults that go on for months and months or they make themselves look foolish whenever anyone reads them. As a journalist I would think she wouldn't want this image for her blog. It will be her choice whether she reins you in or I leave!

E
What about your character assassination, lies and false accusations of immigrants and Hispanics?

When are they going to end?

I will not tell Marisa anything because I consider myself intelligent enough to fight my own battles, and also those of others who are oppressed by racism.

Neither will I tolerate, YOUR hateful schoolyard bullying tactics of people who dont deserve your hateful rhetoric.

You either rein yourself in or others including myself will.

NO MORE RACISM!!! GOT IT!!