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Guest Voz: Academic researchers discover the lack of comprehensive immigration reform increases disparities and limits future progress of Latinos nationwide

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By María del Carmen Salazar, Ph.D.

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Dr. María del Carmen Salazar


Dr. María del Carmen Salazar of the University of Denver served as the lead author on "Agenda Latina," a report that evaluated the current economic, health and educational state of Latinos in the nation. The dismal findings are not new but are underscored by a new sense of urgency in light of accelerating disparities experienced by Latinos, along with, aggressive federal enforcement of current immigration laws which has adversely impacted the Latino community and is revealing to play a part in the impediment of the overall future progress of Latinos.


The University of Denver Center for Community Engagement and Scholarship (DULCCES) is set to release a comprehensive document titled, Agenda Latina The State of Latinos 2008: Defining an Agenda for the Future.

The Agenda Latina presents the most pressing issues facing the Latino community in the areas of education, the economy, health, immigration, and political engagement. DULCCES faculty rigorously researched each topic and consulted national experts. In addition, we consulted leaders from Denver community organizations to develop a deeper understanding of the impact of the issues on the Latino community.

While we speak in generalizations, we acknowledge the intra-group diversity that exists within the Latino community including national origin, immigration status, language proficiency, and socioeconomic status. Our research indicates that the Latino population is the fastest growing and youngest ethnic group in the country.

They also face increasing disparities in education, economic opportunities, and healthcare. For example, Latinos in the U.S. experience persistent achievement gaps from pre-school to graduate school. That is to say, Latinos drop out of high school at greater rates, and have lower high school and college graduation rates than other ethnic groups. Overall, Latinos are unprepared for the educational and career demands of the 21st century.

In addition, Latinos in the U.S. experience higher unemployment rates than other ethnic groups, are disproportionately impacted by the higher cost of living, face increasing wealth disparities, and have limited access to affordable credit. Latinos also experience greater disparities in access to quality healthcare, including growing disparities in the rates of life-threatening diseases, a widespread lack of insurance in the Latino community, lack of health-related education, and an inadequate supply of bilingual language services and culturally competent services.

We found that a lack of comprehensive immigration reform increases disparities and limits the future progress of the Latino community and the nation.

In regards to political engagement, Latinos are becoming increasingly engaged in the political arena and represent an electorate with great potential for significant impact.

However, increased efforts are needed to increase voting rates.

Our overall recommendations include increasing Latino’s access to quality education, healthcare, and economic services. We advocate for support in building the wealth and financial stability of the Latino community.

There must also be an increase in linguistically and culturally relevant practices in education, healthcare, economic access, immigration reform, and political engagement. In addition, advancing comprehensive and humane immigration reform is essential to the future prosperity of the Latino community.

Finally, we must increase opportunities to build alliances among organizations that support Latino community development.

We will present our Agenda Latina to members of the U.S. Congress on September 23, 2008 in the United States Capitol in Washington D.C.

The time is now. We must refuse to be relegated to the back of the bus. We are a vibrant community with vast natural resources. We desire self-sufficiency and strive for prosperity for our community and our nation.

The time is now! Rise mi gente, rise!

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Comments (52)

Evelyn :

This was directed at me and Marissa and left way back. Permission to move it here, please.


Ariella Z said
I am Mexican, my husband IS Mexican and we had to fight thru 7 years of red tape to become legal citizens of the United states.

Because I do not believe it is OK to break the law no matter how good the reason for doing so is, and the illegals that have come here should have to go back and do things teh right way does that make me a racist? Am I traitor to my own people? Am I to be accused of racism? Because if I was white the awnser would be yes... But because I am brown what does that make me... Please ket me know because depending on what color does the posting automatically categorizes if they are a racist.. so I would like an honest opinion as to what I am?

Thank you very much, I am however very curious to see what Evelyn and marisa could offer up to my dilema..makes me wonder


E
Discriminatory behavior like Ignorance has no color barriers.

The fact that you and your husband were fortunate enough to qualify to fix your immigration situation is a good thing and I congratulate you on becoming a citizen.

It is unfortunate that you would use your good fortune as example to other migrants coming from certain Countries like Mexico.

The U.S. has no line like the one you were fortunate to wait in unless like you they have An American citizen child over the age of 21 like you.

Unless you can show a line for ordinary Mexicans like the one you were fortunate enough to wait in, then I will say it is due your ignorance in matters of immigration that you would suggest they get into a line that for them doesent exist.

Evelyn :

This is just one more reason why all American citizens who are Hispanics mustn't sit back and say the immigration debate doesent affect them because they are legal.

The exposure given those behind the failure of the last immigration bill has turned the tide in our favor!!!

People like Arella Z in the article above are an example of that.

I got mine, to heck with the rest of my indigenous brothers and sisters.

Wake up hermanos y hermanas, every one of you need to stand up and let your voice be heard. NO TO DISCRIMINATION!!!
YES TO CIR!!!

If Obama forgets his promise, we will just have to remind him by taking to the streets once more. We already did it once without organization.

Imagine what we can do now that we are organized and have Native America Nations including millions of Euro-Americans who are disgusted by racism on our side.

The American Revolution was fought by men and women who broke the laws of England and of King George III. Had they been arrested, they would have been hanged for treason to the Crown. If breaking the law makes one a criminal, then the Founding Fathers were all criminals. But no one believes that today.

Horace :

What absolute drivel implying that Hispanics are entitled to special treatment over others trying to become citizens. Duh! The lady concludes that it is somehow this country's fault that illegal aliens who are here in contravention to immigration law are doing poorly in school. This is nothing but pointing to what everyone but the blind have been saying for years. Considering their poor educational backgrounds prior to entry to this country, it is hardly a wonder that they fail in this country. It takes sheer chutzpah to blame this all on the lack of CIR or the American people who kind of like law and order in their society. Only whacko ethnocentrics would find such commentary less than absurd or remotely enlightening.

Yes, although stuck in a dust bowl in Camp Liberty, Baghdad, Horace returns to interject sanity into a blog otherwise devoid of it.

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Horace, it's a bittersweet pleasure to hear from you :)

Evelyn :

Horace, it's good to hear from you. You and those who accompany you are in my prayers, so when you hear the buzz in your ear you'll know it's me. Keep yourselves safe.
Evelyn

Texano78704 :

The struggle of Latinos to educate ourselves and our children, and to improve our economic situation is the same struggle that the poor have here in this country.

The issue is class warfare. Latinos, as much as anyone else, deserve to receive a living wage for their work. They deserve to see Brown v. Board of Education honored so that their children not only have opportunities, but do in fact succeed.

Michaela :

Hi Horace, great to hear from you!! Sometimes I think if Evelyn doesn't get her way about this CIR stuff she will blow a gasket. I still don't get where the entitlement attitude comes from and why we Americans are to blame for all the problems of Mexico???

Evelyn :

Michaela :
Hi Horace, great to hear from you!! Sometimes I think if Evelyn doesn't get her way about this CIR stuff she will blow a gasket. I still don't get where the entitlement attitude comes from and why we Americans are to blame for all the problems of Mexico???


E
Can't you get through one post without my name in it?

You cant get it because it takes a person who isnt in denial or blinded to get it!

Michaela :

Michaela :
I still don't get where the entitlement attitude comes from and why we Americans are to blame for all the problems of Mexico???

E
You cant get it because it takes a person who isnt in denial or blinded to get it!

Well then if I am in such denial, please explain to me just why Americans are to blame and where this entitlement attitude comes from? I'm very open to the facts, not your opinion, the facts. Tell me why Evelyn, that Americans are to blame and then explain to me what is up with this "entitlement" attitude people in our country in violation of our immigration laws have. I would really like to understand that. Thank you in advance for your unbiased, mature answer.

Evelyn :

What sence of entitilment? I dont know anyone with a sence of entitlement except for those who believe in "Manifest Destiny". Immigrants come because they need to work to feed their families.

The United States seized huge chunks of Mexican territory in the mid-1800s. And as U.S. capitalism developed into a worldwide imperialist empire, it has dominated, oppressed, and distorted the economy and development of the whole country of Mexico, feeding off its people and its resources.

Then in 1994, this domination took a new leap with the so called “free trade” agreement (NAFTA), which gave the U.S. imperialists more freedom to squeeze even more profits out of Mexico.

The results have been disastrous for the masses of people in Mexico.

We made it impossible to make a living off their land like they used to, because NAFTA knocked down what protection there was for small farmers in Mexico.

They could no longer compete with the cheaper corn and other crops, produced by huge U.S. agribusiness corporations, that flooded Mexico.

More than six million peasants have been driven from the countryside since 1994 because they can no longer feed themselves and their families by farming.

And the shantytowns around Mexico’s cities, already swollen with the very poor and the displaced, offer no way out.

So that is why millions of immigrant workers have ended up in the U.S. as “illegals.”

It’s not a matter of choice. It’s not that these immigrants want to willfully break the law or freeload off social services or steal American jobs or any of the other lies that the rulers of this system tell about them, and that too many people are taken in by.

The truth is that the immigrants have been forced across the border by the workings of the capitalist imperialist system and the policies of those in power.

Once in the U.S., these immigrant workers are super-exploited, working the most low-paying and dangerous jobs.

Again, the immigrants do not choose to work such jobs. Those are the only kind of work offered to them under the U.S. capitalist economy, which has become so dependent on the exploitation of immigrant labor that it cannot function without it.

The immigrants have to work those jobs, or face starvation for themselves and their families.

And the capitalist rulers use the immigrants "illegal" status, which is the result of this system’s workings in the first place, to keep them suppressed and under control.

Step out of line the immigrants are told, and you’ll not only lose your job, you’ll be arrested, deported, and separated from your children.

Immigrant communities are being terrorized by a fascist crackdown widespread immigration round-ups, massive deportations, racist vigilantes, more policing on the border, etc.

The rulers of this country, aided by the mass media, work hard to keep the people ignorant of the truth, in order to use the immigrants as scapegoats for all the insecurities and problems that this capitalist system has forced on the majority of people.

Many in the middle class feel their living standards and quality of life under attack, and they are being misled by the mouthpieces for the capitalist, imperialist system that is actually responsible for the bad shape things are in.

The ruining of Mexico’s economy that has driven millions into desperation, horrors for millions of immigrants forced into slavery like conditions in the U.S.

The prejudice against immigrants that is fanned to keep people divided, the fascistic roundups and cruel break-up of families, all of these are the products of this capitalist imperialist system

Mexicans cant even elect a president of their choice without the U.S. gov. butting into their business.

The last election Mexico elected a president that was in favor of renegotiating NAFTA or scrapping it because the U.S. hasent kept their side of the treaty. Here is the story on that. How the U.S. didnt allow him to be elected.


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/341919.shtml


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342179.shtml


You know, maybe you really dont know about all these injustices.

Michaela :

The United States seized huge chunks of Mexican territory in the mid-1800s.

The United States bought this territory in 1848 for approximately 18 MILLION dollars, the equivalent of over 300 MILLION in today's dollars. So stop with the "U.S. seized" crap. If Mexico wants that land back the U.S. will be charging 300 million for it.

Michaela :

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The rulers of this country, aided by the mass media, work hard to keep the people ignorant of the truth, in order to use the immigrants as scapegoats for all the insecurities and problems that this capitalist system has forced on the majority of people."


The rulers in Mexico use people like Mexican agent Isabel Garcia to help illegals enter our country so they can be used for slave labor. Isabel Garcia and her ilk her directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of illegal immigrants.

The government of Mexico does not want their poor, they could care less about them. They could care less if their poor people die from hunger or thirst or are raped or murdered by coyotes. Blame Mexico and people like Isabel Garcia for this outrage along with greedy, selfish Americans.

Horace :

"The United States seized huge chunks of Mexican territory in the mid-1800s."

Ask a Mexican which government, U.S. or Mexican, he/she would like to live under and I'd venture a guess that that goverment wouldn't be primarily made up of Hispanics. It's not a matter of whether Mexico or the U.S. owns the territory lost by Mexico, but how the people who live there are treated. Few Mexicans would rather live under a Mexican government, as evidenced by which direction their heading to escape poverty.

Evelyn :

Michaela said:
The United States bought this territory in 1848 for approximately 18 MILLION dollars, the equivalent of over 300 MILLION in today's dollars.

E
That is the WHITEWASHED version of what happened.

That is what 'Manifest Destiny' was about forced occupation of the land. The U.S. gov. (Polk) wanted the land so he INVADED Mexico under false pretenses. Mexico still reeling from a war with Spain was unable to defend herself.
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The United States bought this territory in 1848 for approximately 18 MILLION dollars, the equivalent of over 300 MILLION in today's dollars. So stop with the "U.S. seized" crap.

E
The United States paid a Spaniard who was exiled to Cuba for land he didnt have a right to sell.

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If Mexico wants that land back the U.S. will be charging 300 million for it.

E
I dont think so!

I think you will be rolling in your grave wishing you had taught your children and grandchildren not to hate the bronze people who will be the majority in the future.

One bronze and black and yellow baby at a time without paying one single penny.

Your grandchildren will be infected with hate for bronze people just like you. They will emulate you.

Just like you, they will also pay for your sins.

Evelyn :

Michaela
Please enlighten me, who is Isabel Garcia???? What are you talking about?

I am well aware about the Gov. of Mexico.

Let me enlighten you on that subject.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/341919.shtml


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342179.shtml

Texano78704 :

Thank Evelyn (again) for bringing to light what happened during the Mexican American War.

Here is the perspective of US officer who fought in that war:

"Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them.

For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation.

It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory."

That was from the US officer's memoirs published in 1885. He also commented to the journalist and diplomat, John Russell Young, the following in 1879.

"I had very strong opinions on the subject. I do not think there was ever a more wicked war than that waged by the United States on Mexico. I had a horror of the Mexican War, and I have always believed that it was on our part most unjust. The wickedness was not in the way our soldiers conducted it, but in the conduct of our government in declaring was. We had no claim on Mexico. Texas had no claim beyond the Nueces River, and yet we pushed on to the Rio Grande and crossed it. I am always ashamed of my country when I think of that invasion"

I know what you are thinking, this is just the rant of some disgruntled Army officer. Perhaps that is true, but he was also the 18th President of the USA.

Michaela :

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The United States paid a Spaniard who was exiled to Cuba for land he didnt have a right to sell.


Oh come on Evelyn...where do YOU get YOUR info from? A very greedy Mexican, Santa Ana, was the one who made the deal to sell Mexico...blame him!

Michaela :

Evelyn, enlighten YOURSELF about Isabel Garcia...pretending you don't know who she is, give me a break.....sigh.

E
Your grandchildren will be infected with hate for bronze people just like you.

You make me laugh Evelyn, such a hypocrite. YOUR grandchildren are the ones who will be infected with hatred for the "white devil" because you will carry on the legacy of hate your racist caretaker left you. The way you live is the way you judge Evelyn. I doubt you can fully comprehend this Mexican saying, but if you ever do, your world will change.

You are the brown equivalent of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. You will not allow hate to die. You will be the eternal victim because YOU LIKE BEING A VICTIM and it serves your selfish purpose in this world. This is the reason many browns and blacks do not move ahead in this world, and that is so very tragic. I pity you Evelyn, truly pity you.

Horace :

We'll give it back, evelyn, and you can live there under the current crime ridden culture of Mexico, its plutocrats and criminals. Watch the illegal immigrants move into territory still under U.S. contro.

Evelyn :

Horace :
We'll give it back, evelyn, and you can live there under the current crime ridden culture of Mexico, its plutocrats and criminals. Watch the illegal immigrants move into territory still under U.S. contro.

E
I am not gonna fight with you from here so dont agitate! Concentrate on what is important.

If you still want though, when you get back we can go on that date you asked me for last year and then get married like you suggested and go live there. That is of course if your wife doesent mind! LOL!

Horace :

Too late, you had your chance, Evelyn, but my heart belongs to Sarah Palin, the next Vice President of the U.S.

Evelyn :

Michaela :
Evelyn, enlighten YOURSELF about Isabel Garcia...pretending you don't know who she is, give me a break.....sigh.

E
Whats the matter M were you afraid to go on and say what you wanted about Isabel because you knew how foolish you would look lying again? HA! HA!

You've got to remember those lies dont fly here like they do at M Bee!
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Your grandchildren will be infected with hate for bronze people just like you.

You make me laugh Evelyn, such a hypocrite. YOUR grandchildren are the ones who will be infected with hatred for the "white devil"

E
WOW! "white devil" what a way to describe yourself and the rest of those who embrace discriminatory behavior!

I will say one thing though, it is a good description, because only someone evil like the devil would do what you guys do.
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because you will carry on the legacy of hate your racist caretaker left you. The way you live is the way you judge Evelyn. I doubt you can fully comprehend this Mexican saying, but if you ever do, your world will change.

E
I understand it perfectly, I am fluent in Spanish as well as English and several indigenous dialects.

I learned Spanish because I lived in many Spanish speaking countries as a child with my parents where they worked.

"Asi como vives jusgas" transulated

"The way you live is the way you judge"

I live fighting for justice, equality and freedom for all.

The question is, how do you live M. Reflect on the fact that you lap up lies, and help spread them, to demonize an ethnic group of people you hate, and want to exclude from everything, including the U.S.

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You are the brown equivalent of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

E
First of all I am not brown. I am white and have reddish blonde hair like my father and deep blue eyes like my grandmother Patrick, his mother!

Not that it matters because it's what is on the inside that counts.
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You will not allow hate to die.

E
For someone who has revived hate against Hispanics and immigrants, to tell me I dont let it die because I fight against the hate and exclusion you support, is hypocritical at least!
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You will be the eternal victim because YOU LIKE BEING A VICTIM and it serves your selfish purpose in this world.

E
My purpose is selfish to you and those of your ilk, because your views of 'lily white surroundings' are threatened.

Thats funny in your case because I have it on good authority that you are Hispanic.

I, am not the victim of anything or anyone, in fact contrary to what you believe I have been more then blessed in every way.

It is however your shame, that many brothers and sisters ARE, your victims!
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This is the reason many browns and blacks do not move ahead in this world, and that is so very tragic.

E
WRONG! It is because of people like you who hate and try to exclude them!

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I pity you Evelyn, truly pity you.

E
You have no reason to pity me. The one you should pity is yourself..... you really need it.

I want you to know, people like you are in my prayers.

Jesus said it best before he was crucified.... Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

In the future stick to the issues, I dont like debating only your views of me! If you try again I will ignore you like I do liquid.

Evelyn :

Horace :
Too late, you had your chance, Evelyn, but my heart belongs to Sarah Palin, the next Vice President of the U.S.

E
Well, sence you choose her over me, you're gonna have to get in line.

Your momma wouldent have liked me anyway, cause I am not fat. LOL!

Did Sarah Palin Have An Affair With One Of Her Husband’s Business Associates?

September 4, 2008
Source:The Washington Post

But even as the campaign sought to put the vetting questions behind them, it elected to make a public statement about another potential controversy - an anonymously sourced report in the National Enquirer alleging Palin had an affair with an associate of her husband. “The allegations contained on the cover of the National Enquirer insinuating that Governor Palin had an extramarital affair are categorically false,” Schmidt said in the statement. “It is a vicious lie.”


E
If it is 'a vicious lie,' why is McBush threatening to sue?

And why did the guy whose wife divorced him have the records sealed a few days ago?

Horace :

"E
First of all I am not brown. I am white and have reddish blonde hair like my father and deep blue eyes like my grandmother Patrick, his mother!"

Patrick? Again, a new revelation. I remember when you claimed that "Patrick" was a pseudonym. Which is it, pseudonym or true sirname?

Michaela :

E
First of all I am not brown. I am white

Oh really? Hmm, that is interesting Evie.

E
I live fighting for justice, equality and freedom for all.

You live only for one group Eve. Your self-righteousness is really sickening. Can you really not see that about yourself? You call everybody racist, hateful, etc., etc., when you are just as bad. Where in the name of all that is holy did you learn this vicious hatred that lives inside you? I feel even sorrier for you now than I did before. Do you spread this vicous hatred to your students?

Evelyn :

Public defender didn't violate rules in immigration protest
County: Demonstration with piñata OK despite public job
A.J. FLICK
Tucson Citizen

Pima County Administrator Chuck Huckelberry says Pima County Public Defender Isabel Garcia didn't violate any policy by protesting at a controversial event.

The county heard from 775 writers and callers in favor of Garcia's actions, 229 against.

Evelyn :

Horace :
"E
First of all I am not brown. I am white and have reddish blonde hair like my father and deep blue eyes like my grandmother Patrick, his mother!"

Patrick? Again, a new revelation. I remember when you claimed that "Patrick" was a pseudonym. Which is it, pseudonym or true sirname?


E
No Horace, I never said it was a pseudonym, I said it wasent my last name.

I have talked about my grandmother here before and the fact that her sirname was Patrick, that is before she married.

When I post under Chavez, the post goes to file. I use Patrick sometimes if a last name is required. For obvious reasons I dont use my own.

Evelyn :

Go play barbies M.

Till you can come up with an issue to debate.

When are you going to get it through your thick skull I dont care what you think of me!

In fact I am glad you attack me the way you do, it shows what I say hits a nerve and TRUTH bothers you so much you cant leave me alone.

Michaela :

E
In fact I am glad you attack me the way you do, it shows what I say hits a nerve and TRUTH bothers you so much you cant leave me alone.


You crack me up Evie. You are the one doing the attacking and usually in such a childish way. You are the one who needs to go play with your Barbie.

YOUR truth is what bothers me, because it is mostly propaganda and lies you have either naively bought into or deliberately bought into. Either way, you clearly are not on the side of America.

Evelyn :

I have asked you over and over and over to offer proof of any of the lies you spread. Never have you presented any.

Everything I present as proof is accompanied by a study, statement, or written fact and a link.

You call it lies and propaganda because it PROVES most of your lies and exposes you.

I am clearly not on the side of those who discriminate. Neither are all the people who are voting for Obama and many voting for McBush even though they know his stance on immigration.

That is what it all comes back to, immigration.

Alex :

Evelyn Is on America's side. She is also on the side of Justice, Compassion, Humanity, and mostly on the side of Christian Values, that the Republiklans misleadingly say to believe in, that make an obligation to defend the defensless and expose evil when its presence is evident like these paid bloggers from racist groups that just spin the truth to cover their xenophobia.

Michaela :

She is not on America's side. Evelyn is so far left she's just about off of the map. Her entire argument for this illegal invasion is that the big, bad, imperialist, Capitalist U.S. has "expoited and oppressed" Mexicans for hundreds of years and it's ALL OUR FAULT that they are a craphole! Therefore, we OWE them to allow their people to crash in here at will and pay for their educations, social services, and allow them to take our jobs and pretty much do what they want. WE OWE MEXICO AND MEXICANS!

Truth is that Mexico has ALWAYS been a basket case. It was in 1848, it was in 1948 (long BEFORE NAFTA!) and it is NOW! Corruption is institutionalized in Mexico and permeates EVERY aspect of their society!! It has since its inception. The wealthy and powerful of Mexico REFUSE to assume responsibility for their poor and uneducated, mostly indigenous population---unlike the U.S. which has made great efforts to improve the situations of the Native Americans who are native to the U.S. They instead encourage their poor to migrate North, then laugh all the way to the bank at the stupid gringos who are footing the bill. Those are the cold, hard facts that Evelyn does not want to acknowledge.

The facts are that MEXICO when it was a colony of SPAIN "stole" the land which is now the Southwest from the tribes indigenous to THIS part of the continent (U.S. tribes). The Spanish then established Catholic missions, and granted land to ranchers. The Southwest was very sparsely populated at the time with Spanish ranchers, Catholic missions, and Native American tribes. It was just about ignored by Mexico City and, in fact, the Mexicans invited Americans to settle in TX partly as a buffer between Mexico and the hostile Native American tribes. The Mexicans were afraid of them. They were NOT "one people." The U.S. tribes chased the Mexicans out of their territories.

There is so much WRONG with Evelyn's Marxist propaganda. She talks about "whitewashing" history. Her history is Marxist revisionist history taught in Marxist Chicano studies classes. It's a BIG, BIG problem. She can't get around the fact that the U.S. is now a sovereign nation with internationally recognized borders, regardless of anything that happened in the past. So she just goes round and round trying to find a way to justify the invasion of her precious Mexicans/Latinos by invoking past historical events.

These socialists are attempting to apply 17th and 18th century ethos to 21st century sensibilities for the purpose of crippling us from defending ourselves with "white guilt." The Americans of that time did not do anything different than any other group did back in the day. Europeans repelled wave after wave of invaders into Europe. The thing is that the whites had much more advanced weaponry than the "indigenous" (and they aren't "indigenous" either because THEY TOO migrated from Mongolia via the Bering Straits). History shows that the society which possessed the most advanced weaponry usually emerged as the victors. The Native Americans fought for their land and their culture; they were defeated just as many peoples were defeated all throughout the history of mankind. Somehow, though, it is only WHITE AMERICANS who are made to feel guilty for their victory and building this nation into one to which people from all over the world seek to immigrate.

Yes, it was a tragedy for the Native Americans just as it was a tragedy for the Spanish who were defeated by the Moors and the Moors who were in turn defeated by the Spanish 800 years later just as it was a tragedy for the Romans who were defeated by the Huns who then plunged Western civilization into the Dark Ages! To people like her, whites are always the oppressors while non-whites are always the victims/oppressed. Then anything the "oppressed" do to oppose their "oppressors" is justified as fighting for "justice and equality" and against "racism" even if they are blatant racists and hostile ethnics themselves. Isn't that a neat trick?

Evelyn :

It is good to know not all Americans are afraid of the truth! Those that aren't are educated, have a mind of their own, would never follow orders from ethnocentric leaders, (Tanton) and dont have a discrimatory bone in their bodies.

Good for them! Gee there must be thousands, they are the people voting for OBAMA, JUST LIKE ME. Those who ...............................still cling to racism dont have a candidate to vote for that has a chance of winning.

All their candidates were KICKED TO THE CURB. LOL!

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What Are We Actually Celebrating on July 4th?

Bill Webb

This will probably piss off quite a few people, but too bad. I've asked myself this question every year for the past couple of decades, and now I'm asking you.

What are we celebrating with all this patriotic, jingoistic stuff on "Independence Day?"

Let's see:

Our ancestors came to this continent and took it away from its rightful owners.

We used our stolen riches -- and our isolation -- to build navies that could project our power globally. Then we exerted sufficient control over vast areas of the world to enable us to plunder their riches (whether economically, politically, or by actual force) and turn it to our own purposes, usually messing up their countries into the bargain. We planned and executed one political coup after another, invaded and subdued anyone who stood in the way of our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and basically took what we wanted, whether material or simply in terms of others' freedom of choice.

We continue to do precisely the same things today. Our President just spent $5 trillion over the past six years or so. What did we get out of it? We don't even get the free medical care that is taken for granted by residents in other developed countries. The rest of the world got a war, and a training ground for would-be terrorists that could never, in the wildest stretch of imagination, have been built by the terrorists themselves. They also got a lesson in what the United States of America, cradle of "freedom," thinks about the rest of the world and its wellbeing.

"Manifest Destiny," then and now.

We are by far the world's richest country, yet what do we give back to the rest of the world? Peanuts. Fragments of peanuts. And we're so freaking selfish that we don't even want any outsiders coming here to work for their share (the way our forebears did, BTW).

Shame on us! If we're not getting what we need, it's because a few -- a very few -- other people are taking a great deal more than they need, not because some poor folks are coming here to scrabble on the bottom of the heap so they can make a few bucks to send back home to their families.

So tell me: what are we celebrating?

Now, the standard retort to this sort of thing is, "Well, if you hate America so much, why don't you leave?" Hold on there, Jethro -- did I say I hated America? Looking at it realistically, being a bit ashamed of it, isn't the same thing as hating it. And why don't I leave? Because I'm not any more willing than you are, Jethro, to give up my piece of everyone else's pie. I may or may not work a bit more than average at giving something back, but that's another issue.

You see, regardless of how you think I should feel, we do (at least for the next little while) have a right to say and write what we think in this country, and this is what I think. I think, in view of the price we've exacted from the rest of the world for our supremacy, that we should be giving back 10% of our GNP in foreign aid, medical assistance and environmental remediation. We could easily afford that if we gave up fighting unjust wars and supporting the military-industrial economy that necessitates our fighting them. The remaining


90% should be enough for us, considering that it would still be far greater than the share of any other country (and a couple of continents). It's even possible that, when the rest of the world began to see us as the good guys we claim to be, it might just alleviate the excuses for all those wars. Oh, my! How would the rich folks take our tax money then, eh?

It will never happen, but that's what would make me proud. That would give me something I thought was worth celebrating. I like living here. I would never do anything to harm my homeland. But we didn't earn what we've got, we took it from others.

Proud of that?

My momma raised me better.

And if this does piss you off, maybe it's because you're feeling a bit guilty.


http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/31312

Alex :

The fact is that poverty and the opportunity to provide a better life for your family is driving people, not just from Mexico, but from other countries to ours. I agree with the sovereignity and security reasons trying to stop it. But, the millions who are already here and worked so hard to get a little piece of the U.S. dream deserve the chance to work and stay here, as long as they are not dangerous criminals, without the fear of being persecuted and antagonized by the modern KKK groups operating under different names like Minutemen, FAIR, etc. Their children know no other country than the U.S., pleadge allegiance to the flag every morning at school and, many of them are fighting for our country. The majority agrees that working, undoccumented workers, who have been here long enough, contibuting to our progress and development, and are not criminals should be given the chance to legalize their status and, eventually, become citizens after paying a fine, learn english, pass a background check, etc. This is the christian and humane way to solve this problem. Unfortunately, the view of a small group of racists, xenophobes, that have a very loud mouth, oppose it. The Republiklans have a lot of responsability for this important legislation to pass and will not be forgiven by the latino community who, now have an increased influence on the final results on pivotal states like Ohio, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida, even Texas.

Evelyn :

For the benefit of whoever wrote the whitewashed version of the U.S. wars with Mexico, for Michaela.

Here is the truth!


Kick off of REAL HISTORY Series: First up, The Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War


I am a big history buff, and am one of those strange people who are able to read a history book and call it a pleasant experience. Most people read history books, nod their heads and agree inwardly that whatever the history book wrote is all 100% true. After all, it is a history book, it is non fiction and so ipso facto must be true.

But not everybody is an discerning idiot like myself.

And so I am kicking off a new series on the blog, called Real History. Because, when I read a history book, I have a 180 degree different attitude than most people - prove to me that what is written there is not bullshit.

After all, isn't believing that a history book is all true the same as believing that everything you see on TV "news" is true? Isn't that similar to religious faith? Catch my drift?

Example. When two countries make war on each other, inevitably history books of both will be written about that. Make an effort and try to read history books of both nations about those events - you will be surprised that, although they describe the same battles and events, probably using the same documents as sources, the tone of them will be very different. An apocryphal example, but a truism never-the-less.

So - onward to XIX Century Texas.

The typical American schoolbook will describe the Texas revolution thusly: Texas was a Mexican territory at first, American folks (who immigrated to Mexico from USA -imagine that!) lived there peacefully and all was hunky dory. Then the evil Mexican president Santa Ana got uppity and the brave Texans had to revolt and fight for freedom, liberty and the American way. Even back then there were a lot of Mexicans, and so at Alamo the brave Texas folk got wiped out. See the glowing description here, from www.lone-star.net. From the webpage: "For many Americans and most Texans, the battle has become a symbol of patriotic sacrifice. Traditional popular depictions, including novels, stage plays, and motion pictures, emphasize legendary aspects that often obscure the historical event."

The Texas Revolution and the Alamo was tailor made for Hollywood, and the entertainment industry duly obliged and pumped out tens of blockbuster war movies, where white Texas colonists fight heroically the Mexican army.

After Alamo, the Texans did the impossible and actually won their independence, after defeating Santa Ana in a battle of San Jacinto. Basically the idiot Mexican president was captured, a knife was stuck to his throat, and he was gently asked told that if he wanted to live, he better grant Texas a nationhood separate from Mexico.

Santa Ana, the president of Mexico, graciously and enthusiastically agreed to Texas independence.

Shortly after, the white Texans, who as you remember immigrated to Mexico from USA, voted to rejoin USA. The evil Mexicans got uppity again and so the heroic American troops had to kill them. Here is the official version again.

Texas joined the American Union after Yoo Ess Ey's victory and everybody was happy.

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That is the official version. Now sit down, grab a hot tea, hot coffee, or better yet some alcoholic beverage and get ready for the no bullshit zone of history.

Look up the wardata.net Mexican-American War Timeline. Take your time. I would gently ask you to pay attention to the word slaves as you read the timeline.

See something interesting? That's right, in the official US History version the slave issue is almost non existent.


What follows is the unofficial (and true) history of the Texas Reolution and the Mexican-American War.

Let's start in the beginning then. Mexico was a colony of Spain, and fought a War of Independence to become a nation. One of the first issues it dealt with oddly enough was American immigration into Mexico. A American business man, named Moses Austin, swindled a deal with the then Spanish (as in Spain, the colonial country) authorities and got their permission to bring 300 American immigrants to Mexico. This Moses fellow led a very interesting life, as he pursued the ancient American dream of making big $$$ for himself. He moved from place to place, never letting anything stop him, even swore allegiance to the Spanish Crown (as an American citizen!) to establish his business in Spanish controlled parts of America.

He failed several times in his business dealings, alas, and was bankrupt twice. First time the state of Virginia confiscated his businesses, and second time the War of 1812 again bankrupted him and again he had to sell his businesses at very bad prices.

But he was a very persistent fella.

Moses made his way to Texas (then a Spanish possession), and that's when he swindled the deal to bring 300 white Americans into Texas. Alas, unluckily for Moses, he met some bandits on a road back into the US, and was so severely beaten that he died.

And that would be the end of the story except this nutter asked his son to continue his dream of making money in Texas. Gotta hand it to Moses, he was one persistent son-of-a-bitch.

His son, Austin, took Spanish citizenship, and moved into Texas with the assorted riff raff. Funnily enough, meanwhile the Mexicans revolted and won their independence. Imagine the surprise of a just installed Mexican governor as a bunch of white guys came in and said that they have a treaty with the (previous, now gone) Spanish government of Texas stating they have a right to settle there.

The Mexican governor, one Senor Martinez, shrugged his shoulders and basically said "Whatever, fella, go fuck yourself and leave me alone." The incredible true story is here, in the glorious Wikipedia

And lo it was, that the Americans came to live in Texas. And Austin, son of Moses, was a smart fella, went back to USA and "offered land at 12.5 cents per acre, only 10% of what comparable acreage sold for in the United States. Settlers would pay no customs duties for seven years and would not be subject to taxation for ten years. In return, they would be expected to become Mexican citizens."

No taxes! Cheap land! And all you have to do is become a Mexican citizen!

Deal.

Joyful Americans poured into Mexico, establishing a pretty prosperous society. Some of them just happened to be slaves though, as many Americans came from the South of the country, and so brought their slaves with them.

This was a problem - (please see Slavery in Texas Wiki article here).

You see, "in 1823, Mexico forbade the sale or purchase of slaves and required that the children of slaves be freed when they reached fourteen".

In 1829 Mexico outlawed slavery altogether, making it illegal to own slaves in the country.

This made the American immigrants in Texas justifiably angry, as these terrible Mexican anti slavery laws were extremely anti business and anti Texan. They interfered with Moses', his son's, and now the Texans' dream of making big $$$.

So, quoting Wikipedia: "To circumvent the law, many Anglo colonists converted their slaves into indentured servants for life. Others simply called their slaved indentured servants without legally changing their status.[16] Slaveholders wishing to enter Mexico would force their slaves to sign contracts claiming that the slaves owed money and would work to pay the debt. The low wages the slave would receive made repayment impossible, and the debt would be inherited, even though no slave would receive wages until age eighteen."

But the evil Mexicans again interfered with American god given right to make money, as "This tactic was outlawed by an 1832 state law which prohibited worker contracts from lasting more than ten years."

This could not be allowed.

Big business was affected.

This meant war.

And so the "glorious" Texas Revolution for freedom (snicker), liberty (hahahaha) and American way (that for sure) happened.

After the glorious fuck up that was The Alamo, Sam Houston and his army of Texan riff raff surprised Santa Ana's Mexican Army. By surprise I mean that they moved in silently as close to the Mexican army tent camp and then charged, killing the surprised Mexicans, who were trained to fight in European style, make ranks and fire. None of that bullshit in the slaughter of San Jacinto, as the dumbass Mexicans were killed in their tents. Only nine Texans died, which make calling this a "battle" a slightly dubious proposition. Slaughter fits better. Or perhaps massacre.

Santa Ana, then the Mexican president was duly captured by the Texans, who then gently posed him a question regarding Texas independence from Mexico.

If you want to see how the question was posed, here is a scene of Santa Ana in Texan custody.

Needless to say, Santa Ana enthusiastically agreed to all the demands put to him. And squeeeeeled like a pig.

Incidentally, Sam Houston personifies the type of people who left the United States voluntarily and settled in Mexican Texas. The reason why he left the USA: he beat a man with a cane on a street in our nation's capital. US Congress ordered his arrest, and he was found guilty in his trial even though he pleaded self defense. Being friends with a then US president James K. Polk, allowed a wink wink nod nod settlement of the case and Sammy boy was "reprimanded". For almost killing a man in broad daylight in our nation's capital. That man who was beat up happened to be a Congressman - hence the outrage of Congress and its involvement in the case.

American history is just gloooooorious ain't it?

Sam was ordered to pay a $500 fee after the beaten up Congressman sued him for assault in a civil court (pansy! girly man!) but, Sam being Sam, he elected to move to Texas and beat up people there, I guess, and not to pay.

The whole reason for the karate street fight of the Congressman and Sammy boy was the Indian Removal Act of 1830.

You see, Yoo Ess of Ey had large pieces of its territory occupied by native American tribes, and so President Andy Jackson wrote a law in which the natives were to be "voluntarily" moved to less desirable laws. Like the Dakotas. If you ever been to Dakota, South or North, you know that it sucks and that there ain't nothing there - but Wall Drug.

And Wall Drug, even though it is the chief Dakota (both north and south) attraction, sucks donkey balls.

Anyway, old Sam bid on a government contract to supply the Indians with ... stuff...as they were ethnically cleansed from their lands and moved to Wall Drug country. If you find it strange, imagine Halliburton supplying American troops overseas, how lucrative it is to do so, and your admiration for ole Sam Houston will go up a notch. Here we have a precursor of Halliburton (no bid wink wink nod nod) contract.

So we have Moses Austin - the swindler... Sam Houston, the criminal and swindler ...Don't forget the legendary Bowie, who is chiefly famous for his big knife...

These people should not have been settling in Texas, they should have been in jail!


Anyway, sorry for the break in the historical narrative...Where was I? Oh yeah, the glorious Texas revolution was won and Texas won its independence from Mexico.

Everybody in Texas was happy, and much drinking, whoring and celebrating ensued.

Except for the slaves, but fuck them. The war was fought for business reasons, and won. People like Sam Houston and the Moses folk could finally make their money in peace, as they whipped the "negroes" to work harder. In fact, see this article on slavery in Texas - after the "glorious" revolution,
The Texas Revolutionqv assured slaveholders of the future of their institution. The Constitution of the Republic of Texasqv (1836) provided that slaves would remain the property of their owners, that the Texas Congress could not prohibit the immigration of slaveholders bringing their property, and that slaves could be imported from the United States (although not from Africa). Given those protections, slavery expanded rapidly during the period of the republic
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"By 1845, when Texas joined the United States, the state was home to at least 30,000 bondsmen."

Which makes me realize that we here have hit on another topic.

We skip skip a few years and move on to the Mexican-American War - grab another brew.
Skip over the official history, laugh, drink up, and continue on...

The American government approached the Mexican government multiple times, and politely inquired about Texas - because, you see, Americans wanted to buy it from Mexico. The public opinion in Mexico, of all classes in society, from the rich land owners to a beggar on the street, all agreed on one thing - that selling off Texas to the USA would tarnish national honor. In fact, many favored armed intervention to bring Texas back into Mexico. Imagine - sending an army to reclaim a seceding state. Boy, that is just crazy talk. Am sure glad that never happened in our American history...

John Slidell, an American diplomat was sent by then American president Polk to talk things over, after a law passed in US Congress that Texas was to be annexed by America (Surprisingly, Mexico broke diplomatic relations with USA at that - what nerve!)

By talk, I mean that he gently asked Mexico to sell Texas to the USA and allow Texas to be annexed by USA. And by gently, I mean he said that otherwise we will kill you and take it anyway.

Shockingly, he was rebuffed by the uppity Mexicans, and Slidell came back to the US somewhat miffed at the non white folk out there in Mexico.

By a curious coincidence, USArmy units just happened to be stationed on Mexican-American border, fully armed, ready to go.


Just a coincidence... The following had nothing to do with American haste to annex Texas:

But in the late 1830s, relations between Britain and the U.S. became strained. A financial panic in the U.S. had made the American market less important for Britain’s finished goods, and some Americans were also aiding revolutionaries in Quebec. For Britain, it seemed like a good time to find an alternative to American cotton.

The Republic of Texas seemed like the answer—if Texas would free its slaves. Britain was so serious about forging a cotton alliance with Texas that at one point the British charge d’affaires in Texas, Charles Elliott, went to Sam Houston and offered a large British loan that would enable the Texas government to emancipate all the slaves and compensate their owners for the loss. Houston and the other leading men of Texas were willing to consider the idea.

A free Texas under British domination was the worst nightmare of the American South. Such an alliance would wreck the Southern cotton trade and threaten the very existence of plantation culture. As the British became more intent on their courtship of Texas, it would be Southern planters who would bring the annexation debate back to the forefront of American politics.


Curiously, the preceding explanation from the Texas State Library & Archives Commission makes it seem like the whole war was fought to keep American cotton price up and the slaves in chains. Of course, that cannot be correct, as the war was a good war, fought to protect American way of life, freedom, liberty etc etc.... right? Right?

Moving on...
When the evil Mexicans rejected the generous offer from the USA, those troops invaded to liberate Mexico from Mexicans.

Polk stated to Congress that "Mexico had invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil." Which was curious as the Thornton Affair took place in Texas, which was an independent country at the time... or just annexed US territory...or actually Mexico. I am confused. Suffice it to say, some yahoos from Mexico got drunk and shot some equally drunk US soldiers. Hence the hutzpach Polk declaration of "American blood spilled on American soil" yada yada let's kill some brown skins.

And kill them we did. By gawd it was glorious. We wiped them out, and then we celebrated. From Wiki:


U.S. soldiers' memoirs describe cases of scalping innocent civilians, the rape and murder of women, the murder of children, the burning of homes, and the desecrating of Catholic religious objects and buildings. One officer's diary records:

"We reached Burrita about 5 pm, many of the Louisiana volunteers were there, a lawless drunken rabble. They had driven away the inhabitants, taken possession of their houses, and were emulating each other in making beasts of themselves.[15]

John L. O'Sullivan, a vocal proponent of Manifest Destiny, later recollected:

"The regulars regarded the volunteers with importance and contempt... [The volunteers] robbed Mexicans of their cattle and corn, stole their fences for firewood, got drunk, and killed several inoffensive inhabitants of the town in the streets."


Yeee haw!

Things got so bad that many Catholic Irish soldiers, US citizens, considered the war unjust and about a land grab. Called the Saint Patrick's Battalion, they deserted USArmy and joined the Mexican side - in great numbers. They fought bravely for the Mexican Army, and the more badly the war went for Mexico the more bravely they fought.

They were then hanged by the USArmy troops when caught, at the end of the war.

So, moving on with the narrative, the better armed, better led US troops won several victories, the war was won and Texas and several other territories were stolen err taken over by better management.

And everybody in the land rejoiced... Well, perhaps not the slaves, who continued to be lashed, raped, beaten and worked to death, until the people who did the "glorious" Texas revolution tried the same thing, for the same reason (business and profit, the American way, against the evil government regulation - damn Washington bureaucrats sticking their noses where they don't belong!) only on a MUCH larger scale...and with a different country...

Of course, you know what I am talking about right? Hint: 1861-1865.


http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/01/kick-off-of-real-history-series-first.html

Evelyn :

Michaela said

Truth is that Mexico has ALWAYS been a basket case.


E
WRONG! Before the Europeans came:


1491
By Charles C. Mann

New Revelations Of The Americas Before Columbus

A groundbreaking study that radically alters our understanding of the Americas before the arrival of the Europeans in 1492.

Traditionally, Americans learned in school that the ancestors of the people who inhabited the Western Hemisphere at the time of Columbus’s landing had crossed the Bering Strait twelve thousand years ago; existed mainly in small, nomadic bands; and lived so lightly on the land that the Americas was, for all practical purposes, still a vast wilderness. But as Charles C. Mann now makes clear, archaeologists and anthropologists have spent the last thirty years proving these and many other long-held assumptions wrong.

In a book that startles and persuades, Mann reveals how a new generation of researchers equipped with novel scientific techniques came to previously unheard-of conclusions. Among them:

In 1491 there were probably more people living in the Americas than in Europe.

Certain cities–such as Tenochtitlán, the Aztec capital–were far greater in population than any contemporary European city.

Furthermore, Tenochtitlán, unlike any capital in Europe at that time, had running water, beautiful botanical gardens, and immaculately clean streets.

The earliest cities in the Western Hemisphere were thriving before the Egyptians built the great pyramids.
Pre-Columbian Indians in Mexico developed corn by a breeding process so sophisticated that the journal Science recently described it as "man’s first, and perhaps the greatest, feat of genetic engineering."

Amazonian Indians learned how to farm the rain forest without destroying it–a process scientists are studying today in the hope of regaining this lost knowledge.
Native Americans transformed their land so completely that Europeans arrived in a hemisphere already massively "landscaped" by human beings

http://www.bookbrowse.com/reviews/index.cfm?book_number=1649

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From "American Indian Contributions to the World: 15,000 Years of Inventions and Innovations"

These are some of the contributions and accomplishments of the Mexicas, before Cortez invaded Mexico.

This book is sold here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0816053677/102-5197609-5898545?v=glance&n=283155


Creators of pyramid tradition that extended from Mississippi River to Wisconsin, and all the way to the East Coast.

This pyramid tradition was independent of Egypt. The heart of this civilization was in what is now called Mexico and "Central America".
( Google "Cahokia" for more information)


Creators of the world's most accurate calendar still in use around the world today.

Creators of a base-20 mathematics system with positional notation (predating Europeans) First people in the world to use zero.

Creators of the the world's largest city. Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan, and Cholula.


First Nation in the world to impliment mandatory education system (Tenochtitlan).
(see "Daily Life of the Aztecs" by Jacques Soustelle) Creators of books, and many libraries.

Independently developed 12 writing systems ( Mayan system was the pinnacle). (see "Mexico: From the Olmecs to the Aztecs" by Michael D Coe)


Accomplished astronomers measuring and predicting the movements of the sun, moon, planets, and stars. Other Nations followed the Mexica astronomers after 1592.


Creators of the world's two largest pyramids: the Pyramid of Danta (Mayan) and the Pyramid of Cholula.


Biogenetically engineered domesticated corn plant into its modern variant giving the world one of the most nutritious foods. (read "1491" by Charles Mann)

Creators of the world's first team sport (the ball game)

Architecture which has inspired renowned architects such as Frank Lloyd Wright


First public latrine system in world. Bath houses for daily bathing.

First people to perform surgery and invent scalpel. Invention of antiseptics.

Liquidmicro :

Your time line is too far back, it doesn't even answer Michaela's statement. Mexico!! not pre-columbian, not from 12000 years ago, but from the time Mexico became an independent nation. You have completely avoided the statement and the correct times in question.

As for your Texas Blog story, again to many actual facts left out to even begin to be credible, shows its bias from the very first sentence.

Evelyn :

Michaela said:
She is not on America's side. Evelyn is so far left she's just about off of the map.

E
YOUR OPINION of what you seem to think you know is the only thing here "so far left she's just about off of the map," and, out in the cold!
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Her entire argument for this illegal invasion is that the big, bad, imperialist, Capitalist U.S. has "expoited and oppressed"

E
It is not only my argument, I didnt just make it up. I learned about it by educating myself like every other educated American.

You can find links to hundreds of articles just like the one below explaining what in YOUR OPINION (having not included proof) is a lie, which counts only to those of your ilk.

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Report: 'Free trade'
enslaves poor nations
Globalization benefits wealthy exporters
at expense of farmers, workers, says Oxfam

WASHINGTON – So-called "free trade" agreements are not free at all, victimizing the poor while benefiting the wealthy, says a new report by Oxfam International, the coalition fighting poverty, suffering and social injustice around the world.
"In an increasingly globalized world, these agreements seek to benefit rich-country exporters and firms at the expense of poor farmers and workers, with grave implications for the environment and development," the report said.
Her report said NAFTA has brought 1.3 million job losses to Mexico in 10 years.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54965
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Undocumented Immigrants: The New World Order’s Civil Disobedience

Foreign policy by the US government has built countries such as Germany and Japan after World War II while at the same time destroyed other countries such as Cuba, Mexico, Philippines, and Indonesia since the “Cold War”.

http://nonviolentmigration.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/undocumented-immigrants-the-new-world-orders-civil-disobediance

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Mexicans for hundreds of years and it's ALL OUR FAULT that they are a craphole!

E
Those are your words. I would never show ignorance by calling Mexico a craphole!

It is the U.S. gov. who decides who will be president of Mexico and those who are the leaders of Mexico and Americans who blame immigrants from Mexico for everything who are a craphole!

Mexico's enormous petroleum reserves rank it among the top ten countries in the world. Mexico is a major exporter of crude oil and remains one of the top producers and exporters of silver, a mineral resource that has been important since colonial times.

Mexico’s economy is also of major importance to the United States, not only because of formal links through economic agreements, such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), but also because Mexico is one of the largest trading partners of the United States. In turn, Mexico’s largest trading partner is the United States.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761576758/mexico.html
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Therefore, we OWE them to allow their people to crash in here at will and pay for their educations, social services, and allow them to take our jobs and pretty much do what they want. WE OWE MEXICO AND MEXICANS!

E
Again your rant, filled with lies! Mexicans dont crash in here! They are America, whether you like it or not! They work to pay for their education and they don't receive social service! Go spit on the Americans who hire the Mexicans! It is not their fault American employers would rather hire Mexicans who work hard instead of lazy Americans!
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It was in 1848, it was in 1948 (long BEFORE NAFTA!) and it is NOW! Corruption is institutionalized in Mexico and permeates EVERY aspect of their society!! It has since its inception.

E
Oh goodie we get to discuss corruption, a subject the U.S. companies going bankrupt this week wrote the book on ! GLASS HOUSES!

What is culturally OK in Mexico, may be seen as immoral and corrupt by an individual from another country.
Today corruption, bribery and tipping occur at all levels of Mexican society and at many different degrees. For one reason or another it has become part of daily life. Most of it involves small sums of money, and is thought of as tipping and not as a bribe.
In fact, to eliminate corruption in Mexico overnight is unrealistic and would probably result in chaos.

Which are totally unethical, somewhat unethical, and no big deal? Which of these events occurs in your country?

The garbage collectors come by every 2 weeks, rings the doorbell and ask for money for a soft drink, US $1 or $2.
While waiting in a long line, someone comes up to you and asks if you would like to avoid the line and be attended right away. It will cost US $ 5 to US $ 10, and save you 2 hours.

Your application for a permit/license has been in the government office for several weeks, and no one seems to be able to tell you what is wrong. The secretary asks if you would like to buy a raffle ticket for some organization. After buying the ticket the application suddenly appears.

You visit a local political leader and take him to dinner and a theater event to discuss your project.
At holiday time, you send gifts to politicians, suppliers and business associates.

Your daughter copies exam answers from another student at school.

The police stop you for a traffic violation (which may or may not have occurred). They suggest that for US $ 20 or $ 50 you can make it disappear, and you’ll be on your way in 5 minutes.

You need government agency approvals for your business project. In order to make sure everything is done correctly, you hire an official in the department as a consultant.
You require a zoning change on a piece of land, you invite a government official to participate as an investor in the project, or perhaps give him some shares.
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Now lets talk about
corruption in the U.S., the kind that hurts middle class Americans!

Corruption in a U.S. Attorney’s Office
By Scott Horton

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002353
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Corruption Watchdog Downgrades U.S.
Scandals Hurt America's Standing; Iraq Ranks Next-to-Worst
Congressional scandals have damaged America's standing on a global list that ranks freedom from corruption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/07/AR2006110701253.html
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An Investigative Newsletter Uncovering Corruption Within The Customs Service
Former U.S. Customs Official Turned Whistleblower John Carman

http://www.customscorruption.com/

Google corruption in the U.S. you will find hundreds like these. Next
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The wealthy and powerful of Mexico REFUSE to assume responsibility for their poor and uneducated, mostly indigenous population-

E
Very true, dont forget to remind everyone they are kept in power by the U.S.government, and include proof!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/341919.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342179.shtml

Also dont forget why there is so much crime in Mexico, read about it here!

Cartels to U.S. Keep buying drugs so we can keep fighting

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/fromcomments/87859.php

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--unlike the U.S. which has made great efforts to improve the situations of the Native Americans who are native to the U.S.

E
Is this suppose to be a joke! Poor taste sorryazz!
A people in peril - Native Americans face un